Sunday, December 21, 2008

Thank you, Bernie Madoff for your Kind Christmas Gift

To read the spin being put on Bernie Madoff’s ripoffs you would think that every dime of the fifty billion stolen was earmarked for charities but... that’s not the case at all. There are various pieces of information surfacing and they are coming from all over the place and I mean all over the place. You’ll get a feel for what went on by reading the links and I don’t plan to give you any more of them.

Despite what those worthy of censure may think of some of the things I have to say and despite their reflexive off-the-cuff assumptions that I might have anti-Semitic leanings concerning the large amount of Israeli and other non-Semitics posing as Sephardic by way of AshkaNAZI... I tend to take people as I find them and lose or keep them just as quickly thereafter.

Now... what I’m going to say here next may keep me from being linked at the few sites that I permit to link me because I admire them; that’s getting shorter as time goes by with The People’s Voice dropping me because my erstwhile friend there took exception to my non-Advaita outlook which... would qualify as being distinctly non-Advaita also. After all... if we’re all one then I’m him right? Well... he’s forgiven and we’ll sort that out down the road. Then The Signs of the Times stopped re-printing me, for reasons that have never been clear, given that most of their readers liked me and given that many of their readers came here after they couldn’t find me there. They’re forgiven too and we’ll sort that out down the road.

This site has never been about making money or becoming an icon that would turn out to be one more face on a passing bus next to an ad for some scotch placed next to the callipygian moon globes of some beckoning lass with tiny beads of water on the polymer pseudo-human skin. If you had the benefit of super-sensory vision you could see little green reptiles from another dimension engaging in forbidden acts on the surface of her ass.

This site is about telling you what I think and sometimes it’s about telling you things I experience that some of you don’t want to hear about. You’ll have to live with that. Understand that it might take me a moment to get to my point but you know that already.

First let’s go to the reason that this might not get wide circulation. Regular readers at this site know that I engage in certain shamanistic practices that have the capacity to give me the ability to see those little green reptiles and even participate, if only as a passive voyeur. On one of those occasions... actually on several occasions (over the course of several days) all associated with the same occasion, I engaged in such a ritual and spoke about it at another of the blogs. It involved a conversation between me and someone of great power. I’ve got an idea of who that was, having been on the receiving end, however we’ll attach no sobriquets for the benefit of sanity and discretion.

The conversation went something like this ...and it went on for hours and hours and was the same on each day that passed. Yeah... I hear voices. Actually, all of us hear voices but most of us aren’t honest enough to admit it. Ingesting amplifiers tends to increase reception. Anyway... enough with the digressions and here we go,


“I want to thank you visible for waking me up. That’s a very good thing for you since your behavior hasn’t always been what I like to see but your persistence is a marvel. So... thank you for waking me up. First I’m going to stretch and wipe the cobwebs from my eyes. I’ve been dreaming you see but I’ve also been awake. Never forget that. First I’m going to stretch and wipe the cobwebs from my eyes and then I am going to have my morning coffee. Then I am going to dispense my blessings and then I am going to open a window of forgiveness and many who do not deserve it may take advantage as they will. And after I have done this... well then, visible... I’m going to kick some ass.


“I’m going to show up right in the middle of the evil right while it is going on and I am going to kick some ass. I’m going to catch people with their pants down and I’m going to catch them with the wrong person’s undergarments on their heads. I’m going to parade them before the world and I am going to take away everything they hold dear.”

For the sake of brevity I’m keeping the dialogue short. There was a lot more but it was all similar, oft repeated and with a constant backtracking to reinforce the impact of the sequencing. I’ve been afraid to go back again since then because I fear we are in the ass-kicking period although nowhere near it’s intensity yet.

Our boy Bernie was pretty cool. If you didn’t have a whole lot of money he wasn’t interested. So those who lost their money weren’t poor and they probably still aren’t but they got hurt bad and to be bluntly honest... I’m glad. Call it shadenfreude... call it mean. Call it whatever you like. I know how the well set up likes their money. They hold it dearer than their souls which are forfeit in the bargain. So... when I got the news and when I learned enough to have an idea of what happened, I jumped into the air and pumped my fist in the air and cried... “Yes!!! Yes! Yes! Yes! There’s going to be a few less dead Palestinians in the bargain.

Spare me all the rhetoric about these poor charities and spare me the implication that all of these charities were goyim related and how the underdog is so very much on the minds of the rich at all times. Spare me this lying bullshit. I know rich. I’ve been all around them at times and I’ve seen what they are like. This is not to say that there are not some decent people with money but they would be the exception. This is sad but true and when they do give it’s from all consuming guilt and fear of the unknown; the desire for some salvage of reputation or has more strings attached than Malawi has mosquitoes.

Brother Bernie gave me a Christmas present and I am truly grateful. And even though, as it appears... most of the money, like most of the money most of the time, found its way to the world’s number one terrorist nation on Earth, I am still really grateful that there is no honor among thieves.

I’m sick and tired of .0025% percent of the world’s population controlling most of the world’s wealth. The time has come for them to learn a lesson and it is coming full bore. People tell me here that I should be utterly equanimitous and people tell me I should be Jesus Christ and Buddha and every kind of human doormat simultaneously but I’m just some guy whose primary beef is the perception of ongoing injustice and brutality and I don’t like bullies and I don’t care for liars and thieves either.

I understand why so many people kiss the asses of their perceived betters in hopes of a greater portion of the crumbs that fall from the table but ...that ain’t me babe. I’ll starve first. You’d pretty much have to strap me in irons forever because that’s how long I would wait.

Thank you Bernie for being an unprincipled sleaze and for all that you have done to make my Christmas a merry one. Thank you for hitting the rich where it hurts and thank you for destroying yourself at the same time. I know you’re going to take the midnight train to Israel pretty soon but... son? You done good.

Oh... this just makes me feel the spirit of the season. I know it’s shameful. I know it diminishes me. I know more people won’t like me even more now but... I like the way I feel at the moment and it has just begun. Don’t go thinking Armageddon is just some ‘one size fits all’, iron maiden suit. Armageddon is a selective thing and just as capable of good fortune as bad.

I’m an optimist and maybe that’s because I never wanted the things everyone else broke their lives on the wheel of desire for. I just wanted justice ...and baby... justice is on the way. Thank you Bernie and Merry Christmas!

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73 comments:

greg said...

The largest heist in history but does a swat team bust in and confiscte everything in sight? No he's released to mansion-arrest with a tracking device - I guess so they can see that he arrives safely in Israel on his private jet. I can see the possible humor in all this- especially if your in sunny Italy
eating freh garden salad and homemade olive oil, but it too pisses me off. Just how much can these sons-of-bitches get away with? And what iceburg is this the tip of? Well, we all know but it will never be common knowledge. I hope your "voice" is right and that this is part of the coming retribution. It will definitely take some metaphysical force to re-institute justice on this beautiful planet that we work so hard to screw up.
I can really appreciate the ancient wisdom of the idea of public stonings, the stocks and pillory, and maybe even drawing and quartering. Oh- the good old days...

Visible said...

It didn't escape me that this odious swine is placed under mansion arrest and required to hire his own security people. Look for him to book soon.

As for retribution... my friend, we have metaphysical force in spades. Be of good cheer, so to speak.

notamobster said...

greg, don't forget the historically ubiquitous 'hangman's noose', called the 'collar' during the Elizabethan era. How apropos for white collar criminalia to be fitted by the tailor of justice, with a hemp collar!

les, I truly appreciate the irony of thanking a Jew for giving you the Christmas you don't believe in... Another wonderful write, sir.

Visible said...

Hey Stacy;

Just because I'm not a Christian doesn't mean I don't believe. I do. I just prefer my version of God in the lotus and it's nice if he has an elephant's head.

I like to follow the ideal of RamaKrishna who entered every major religion and experienced enlightenment in every single one and declared them to all be the same and... they are.

He.. like Mohammad was an unschooled individual. God likes to confound the intellectuals by never choosing any. Since I left school in the tenth grade there's still a chance that I can get a balcony seat somewhere.

born intuit said...

Greetings Les & all!… I apologize if I have not followed a proper protocol or format – this blogging business is very new to me. My first comment here is something you and others might take into consideration.

It is ALL a HOAX -- way too much MSM attention, too many spins, too many personal interest stories relaying (ad nauseam) the "hardships" of the “generous & philanthropic [always the] victims.”
Ahhh – the BIG mystery: WHAT happened to all the money? It went to furnish the luxury caves which are now ready for the great escape. One major player in this game has conveniently chosen to “recuse” himself from the investigation – reach into his bag of excuses before even that information disappears:
The niece -
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/392695_madoff18.html?source=rss

The son –
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/mukasey-recuses-himself-from-madoff-investigation/

The web of deceit –
http://news.muckety.com/2008/12/18/top-madoff-players-hire-lawyers-well-connected-to-sec-justice-department/8671

I just want to shine a spot light on MICHAEL B. MUKASEY, before he scurries back under my refrigerator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mukasey

When the “trusted” charlatans disappear with the pension funds, 401Ks, and retirement securities of the middle-class Americans the Madoff/Mukasey clan will have already safely escaped into the darkness.

Will Wilson said...

Hi Les.

One possible negative outcome of this is that the greedheads who lost money will attempt to step up their oppression and scamming of those who are not of their crew in order to make up what they've lost. If this happens, a good possiblity is that resistence to them might grow.
I guess one can theorize about the consequences of this action of Madoff till the cows come home. But I think it's true that people who have lost large sums of money can get pretty nasty.

Anonymous said...

The exquisite beauty of Creation is that everything is quite perfect. No stone is left unturned. Every breath we take is recorded (by those who truly run the show), and at every moment we either support or damage an environment that is so intimately ourselves. Every word we type goes out and comes back and it all comes down to intention, and what's behind it. And that can take place on an individual level or through the group collective.

With that being said, we all have our dharmic roles, whether it be with the pen or the sword.
Yogastah Kuru Karmani

Thanks for spreading the light here, and beyond.

European American

Anonymous said...

Soon the folks at Front Page will publish another article about how the success of Ashkenazis is due to their vastly superior intelligence.

Anonymous said...

Les,

First time on. Great writing, even though I always have to reach for my heart meds afterward. :)

I think, in accord with above, that we are seeing the tip of the iceberg. People should ask:

* Where is all the money going?
* What is happening with gold?
* Why is America Israel's slave?

sometime in he next 30-120 days we will know that answer to our questions and wish we didn't.

I hope the internet still is running at the end of this. It may not be.

If the world still resembles to some degree the world of last year I will be biking my way through Europe in the spring. I enjoyed Italy last year. Scenes of former empire. If not, hey, what a life it's been.

Your right on the mark Les.

Amicus

psychegram said...

Hi Les,

Well, this SOTT reader hasn't abandoned you. Nor has he abandoned SOTT. Though I don't think SOTT has entirely abandoned you, either ... they still print the occasional piece.

It's illuminating to see them starting to feed on each other ... the inevitable end of any pathocratic order, sure, but only when the possibilities for bilking the productive parts of society have been wrung dry to you really start to see them suck on one another. This is only the first of many incidents to come, I'm sure: now that most of the wealth is concentrated in so few hands, the best way to accumulate more is to go after those concentrations ... and their invisible hands turn, one against the other. The only trick will be not getting caught in the crossfire.

Thanks for spreading the word on this, Les. To be honest I'd no idea the Madoff affair contained such thick, delicious irony.

salialioli said...

Worth repeating, I suppose:

Seems that the plot is to do what Jack Bernstein said in 1984 (ironic date to have said it:

START QUOTE

“The Zionists who rule Israel and the Zionists in America have been trying to trick the U.S. into a Mideast war on the side of Israel. They almost succeeded when U.S. Marines were sent to Lebanon in 1982. The blood of the 250 American Marines who died in Lebanon is dripping from the hands of the Israeli and American Zionists.

If more Americans are not made aware of the truth about Zionist Israel, you can be sure that, sooner or later, those atheists who claim to be God's Chosen People will trick the U.S. into a Mideast war against the Arabs who in the past have always been America's best friends. Then more American boys will die because of these clever murderous Zionists, who, incidentally, have been responsible for pushing America into World War I, World War II, as well as the Korean War and Vietnam Wars. While Zionist international bankers and other Zionist Jews were busy counting their profits for those wars, American mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters were mourning the loss of their sons and brothers.”

That part of Bernstein’s warning has already come to pass. What’s amazing is that Bernstein wrote that way back in 1984! But the other part of Bernstein’s warning is far more chilling. Bernstein adds:


“At some point during the war, when the U.S. military is deeply involved and the U.S. citizens are demoralized, the Zionist-oriented Jewish international bankers will make their move. Evidence leads to the conclusion that it is these bankers who own the Class A Stock of the U.S. Federal Reserve, America's central bank. In this position of power these Zionist bankers can, and likely will, trigger an economic collapse in America -- like they did in 1929 when they caused the stock market crash and started the severe depression of the 1930's.”



“Since the money system currently used in the U.S. is NOT backed by gold, silver, or anything of value, the paper dollars and tin coins now in use will be worthless. In the resulting state of confusion and in an effort to obtain food and other necessities, the American people will accept the "New States Constitution" which has already been written. This will place the American people under the dictates of one-world government run by the Zionist-oriented international bankers and Zionist/Bolshevik Jews.

Exactly what direction the war in the Mideast will take only the New York/Moscow/Tel Aviv triangle and God can know. When it is all over, the main LOSERS will be:

The American people.

The Arab people.

Those Jews who stand for justice and freedom.

The only WINNERS will be:

The Zionist international bankers and the Zionist/Bolshevik Jews.” (178C)


The Zionists (and also other Anglo-American Internationalists) do not conceal their desire for World War III and an eventual New World Order (World Government), with American boys doing the dying. These are the forces that pulled off 9-11, turned us into Arab hating fanatics, put an American flag in our hands, and are marching us off to fight for Zionism. Just read what Ra'anan Gissin - a senior adviser to and spokesman for Ariel "the Butcher" Sharon - said in an interview with the Arizona Daily Star in April of 2002:


The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing - World War III. We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not. I'm sure.''
END QUOTE

Excerpt from "Stranger than Fiction" by Dr. Albert D. Pastore

Waking up is real hard to do, but someone mentioned somewhere today that this (or some other of the economic 9/11s) might break the membrane that clouds the eyes to the truth ...

Let's hope so. You do a fine job Mr Smoking Mirrors.

Anonymous said...

i too am clapping my hands ! eeeehhaaa!
i knew you would be clapping too.
peace out

Anonymous said...

Hi Les! Willow, here. I'm pleased you wrote about Bernie "Ripoff" Madoff. Interesting guy, no? Most of the people he fucked were his FRIENDS..his TRIBE. It seems a few goyim tried to tip off the SEC for YEARS about this guy. The SEC investigators preferred trolling pornography sites than doing their job. No doubt jerking off to hiphop. But it may be that they were just part of the game; instructed to do nothing...so maybe this ripoff goes way up and way deep.

At first I expected the old Yid to head off to Israel. But I'm thinking he may be rather UNWELCOME because one of his marks was Yeshiva University...kinda of a "Hogwarts" for Zionists. It strikes me now that he seemingly hit the heart of the American Zionists and all their loot. And so I think...maybe, just maybe...Mr. Madoff wanted to expose perhaps? send a message? to those Zionists...or maybe he knows what the real story is and wanted to stop them in some way.

I know it seems far-fetched and probably way out there...but, from what I've read so far in various places all over the internet, the real people he devastated were members of his own group; people he knew and socialized with; close friends...mostly very wealthy Jews from NYC to LA...and even some in Europe. I ask myself WHY? We already know they are greedy. Come on, any one with just half a functioning brain knows not to put ALL your money with one investment group...please, that is very elementary.

It may...not saying it will because I certainly don't know...but it may come to pass that perhaps Mr. Madoff just might have been trying to throw sand in the wheels of Zionism by blowing all their money.

Just a wild thought...you never know, stranger things have happened.

Willow

Still alive said...

jews jewing jews?

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

greg said...

One possible outcome is that all the Jewish charities (oxymoron?) will declare themselves Financial Holocaust survivors and demand compensation.
Or
All investigators and judges will recuse themselves from the investigation as having a conflict of interest
OR
Israel will attack Iran and we'll just forget about it
OR
AIPAC and ADL will accuse everyone of being anti-semitic and sue
OR
there will be a new TV miniseries, 2 sitcoms and 4 movies about the hollowcaust (sp)
Or
He'll give the money back
Now there's a laugh for you

Scarlett said...

I hope you are right, Les. You have a good track record, so I'm not going to dismiss it. But I guess I've become a little cynical.

I know who controls the media -- even if 80% apparently don't (according to the ADL) -- and if Madoff is being taken down, there is damn sure a reason and a benefit for them to do so.

I run through various scenarios -- the main one is that they have to bail out these investors (as opposed to other non-Jewish ones who are shit out of luck) so they have to make him the bad guy. The focus on the philanthropy is to show that these weren't your typical asshole rich people. These were the rich who truly care about the little people, non-Jews even. Most Americans are all too happy to see rich people get taken by the Wall Street ponzi scheme, too. So, you gotta work overtime to generate sympathy. Still, seems a little too obvious -- but then again, so is Obama's pretty much all Jewish/Zionist cabinet ...

Then, I think, if your goal is to loot the US and then lure the US -- in its dying moments -- to take out your other main competitors for nuclear/financial superpower of the world (namely Russia and China) -- a good strategy might be to completely demonize it and turn it into the next coming of the Nazi regime. Take away the wealthy Jews' money and you have severed their connection to the US. Then when you start building up the anti-semitism (by being over the top in Jewish appointments, only bailing out Jews who lost money, etc.), they won't balk at fleeing to Israel (where the money no doubt awaits them). You save the "important" Jews just like in WWII and sacrifice the average Jews for the greater cause of a one world state under Jewish rule. The rest of the world is happy to nuke us -- since Bush has made the US the poster child of evil. And they have no idea that they have been duped into taking out a nation that was about to call them out on their duplicity and dual loyalties.

It is a brilliant plan, really. But they suceed, not because they are more brilliant than us, but because, honestly, while it is human nature to be indifferent to the suffering of others -- it really takes a lot of conditioning to get people to sadistically enjoy another's pain. We aren't naturally hard-wired to be that way. Selfishness is innate. Cruelty is not. That is why so many people cannot accept or fathom that any group or government actively seeks to be evil. That's why we can believe our entire goverment and military was totally inept on 9/11, but most can't accept that it was planned and executed by the US and its "allies".

Sometimes, that puts the good (or marginally more ethical -- however you want to phrase it) at a disadvantage. But, to effectively fight them, you have to be willing to lower yourself to their level. I think I'd rather lose with my ethics still intact.

But, if you are right, with the right help on our side, justice will give them a swift kick in the ass and we won't have to comprise our own values to see it get done. I'm willing to suffer a little hardship in order for justice to do her thing. That is why I'm not freaking out over another great depression. It would suck -- but I've been poor before, I know I can survive it. And it would be good to see the god of materialism turn and devour its most devoted servants.

kikz said...

if there is a bailout, and if the j.q. herbagemunching goy ever actually found out about it... now that might be interesting.

but if the xtiangoy are stupid enuff - to have commericals on tv begging for donations to send poor persecuted russian jews to the safety of israel - to score points w/god...shit, what isn't possible?

i personally think it would be maaaaaavelouz to have em 'all' in one convenient place. send that mythical diaspora home!
take fukin pollard w/ya, and rham and dov, all the others...let them wall themselves up in their shitty little rock farm and let them have at ea/other.

and yea, madoff's meltdown made me smile. i hope to see more like it. greed can be a beautiful thing...

Anonymous said...

Vman when they give out the real Nobel Prize for writing one's arse off and singing that sweet swinging rapture of truth you are going to be first in line. There are no rules to what you do. There is no system. It can't be copied and it blows every fucking other writer out of the water entirely. I've been coming to this site for almost a year now and I still can't understand how you do it and just saying that I know why now. You don't. Congratulations because it takes a fire hose held by a dragon to write copy like this.

Alun

Visible said...

save Soviet Jewry and win valuable prizes!

m_astera said...

I would bet there is already major infighting and backstabbing over the loot being taken out of the USA. Why won't Paulson and his buddies tell anyone who is getting a share? Perhaps it's not only to protect them from us finding out, but to protect them from the wrath of those who are being cut out. I have the mental image of drunken pirates with long crooked knives and flintlock pistols squabbling over the take at the end of a successful expedition--

Sixteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Drink and the Devil had done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

Taking advantage, as we privileged white men are wont to do, of the black market exchange rate on US$ vs Bolivares (around 5 to 1 these days) your author just returned from the local supermercado where he spent 17 Bolivares on two 1-liter botellas (do the math) of Venezuela's finest rum, Ron Superior from the Santa Teresa distillery. It's very easy to spend ten times that on "good" rum here, but strangely enough Superior is the best as well as the cheapest. Y'all have been forewarned; demon rum guides my pen.

Keeping in mind the recent and much appreciated potential restriction on pasties here on smoking mirrors, I am going to go ahead and post the majority of the poem whose chorus lies above. Credit goes to Allison and Waller, who may or may not have written it, but used it in a 1901 musical. I first encountered it at age ten in my mother's unread college text, the Norton Anthology of English Lit; it charmed me then and it charms me still:

Yo Ho Ho

By Allison and Waller, from a 1901 musical based on Robert Louis Stevenson's book Treasure Island.


Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Drink and the devil had done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
The mate was fixed by the bosun's pike
The bosun brained with a marlinspike
And cookey's throat was marked belike
It had been gripped by fingers ten;
And there they lay, all good dead men
Like break o'day in a boozing ken
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

Fifteen men of the whole ship's list
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Dead and be damned and the rest gone whist!
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
The skipper lay with his nob in gore
Where the scullion's axe his cheek had shore
And the scullion he was stabbed times four
And there they lay, and the soggy skies
Dripped down in up-staring eyes
In murk sunset and foul sunrise
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

Fifteen men of 'em stiff and stark
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Ten of the crew had the murder mark!
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers' glut with a rotting red
And there they lay, aye, damn my eyes
Looking up at paradise
All souls bound just contrawise
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

Fifteen men of 'em good and true
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Ev'ry man jack could ha' sailed with Old Pew,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
There was chest on chest of Spanish gold
With a ton of plate in the middle hold
And the cabins riot of stuff untold,
And they lay there that took the plum
With sightless glare and their lips struck dumb
While we shared all by the rule of thumb,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

More was seen through a sternlight screen...
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Chartings undoubt where a woman had been
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
'Twas a flimsy shift on a bunker cot
With a dirk slit sheer through the bosom spot
And the lace stiff dry in a purplish blot
Oh was she wench or some shudderin' maid
That dared the knife and took the blade
By God! she had stuff for a plucky jade
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Drink and the devil had done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
We wrapped 'em all in a mains'l tight
With twice ten turns of a hawser's bight
And we heaved 'em over and out of sight,
With a Yo-Heave-Ho! and a fare-you-well
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell
Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

Visible said...

I thought the pasties thing was settled or... do you want to show me your tits? Have you seen any more... no... let's freely frolic shall we?

On the matter of rum, the best I have had other than local Caribbean products is the Ron Anejo Anniversario in the leather pouch. I especially recommend it if you take massive amounts of organic psychedelics as do I. At peak energy it is often necessary that one militate against the tidal wave lest one tremble out of sight and that has done for me.

Dead babies don't grow on trees
It's takes a strong man to bring a camel to his knees
Somewhere death is blowing life in the dark and writing this shit is not a walk in the park.

Anonymous said...

Namaskar, Sri Visible-ji
A present for you, which can be for Christmas, Solstice, or any other holy day you like (aren't they all?).
Ganesh Paran (paran=poetic drum composition)
http://kippen.org/ganesh.html
by the late great Benares tabla giant Pt. Kishan Maharaj
[scroll down about 3/4 to start the player]

I'm traditional N.Indian percussion player for 39 yrs.
Been enjoying all your writings/blogs for couple years, most always thinking someone finally reflects my own mind perfectly, though you are a master of language, expressions ranging from stunning to exquisite. Last year studying in Himalayas, I'd start each day with your latest, with my cell-phone hook-up to laptop.
The incredible level of feedback here is a testament to your unique ability to cut to the core of spiritual and political realities we all face and which have for so long been difficult to express and wrap our heads around the many dimensions in play. Your addressing the whole range of awareness levels is refreshing, comforting, and inspiring and gives courage to our battered souls. Some of us plan to hang around and see it through to the "end".

Recently have couple things up on the tubes, for your listening pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snpdCU4qmuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jCIioBo0MU

respects,
bholanath

Visible said...

bholanath;

thank you. it means the world to me to hear from my friend in Mother India. As you may know I am a Hindu and my god has an elephant's head and my love of the Devic Realm is why I see almost no one. being content with my own devices and my invisible friends who remind me about the sweet rotating coil that leads to my bright home. You flat out just made my day.

I'll be going there in a few years to disappear which is why I am Les Visible. I hope we may meet on my way to Arunachala. I will go and listen to the music now.

Om Shanti

and/or

bismillahirachmaniraheem

pot said...

This was likely an attempt to dupe the people into thinking the crisis is hurting the rich as much as the rest, and hurting those who claim to belong to a certain tribe, for those who believe there is a conspiracy against gentiles.

Thus Obama bailout of the people will not have to be limited to the middle class, remember Madoff they will say, and the charities will get their money back as well, either from a new bail out, or from those who have excess cash from the current bailout.

Likely there was a run on the fund by the real powers for this purpose, including those participating in the fund. After all, they are the same folks that precipitated the financial crisis that reduced their wealth on paper, while in fact they have it squirrelled away in the tax havens. For every derivative bet there is a winner and a loser. The bail out is to allow the losers to make good on their bets to the winners in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens. The players in many cases are the same folks, some taking the losses in the US, reducing their tax liabilities and allowing them to pick up the winnings, tax free, in the Caymans. Bernie says thank you Bernie for for making good on this.

The real rich do not have all their eggs in one basket anyways. For every dollar lost in this fund, they made 10 on the bail out and more in the bubble years. Not a bad deal, 1 for 10. Especially if most of the 1 begets another bailout giving them 2 more.

And given the fact that these losses get booked before the end of the year, the government takes up to a 30% hit, up to 18 billion in lost tax revenues that will be borrowed from the banksters.

Of course, there were some people who suffered, maybe having too many eggs in a basket that guaranteed 13% more eggs each year, believing they had bought into a player with inside information. If you had a million, you might be invited to invest.

Madoff himself perhaps was a human sacrifice. If so, he must have got on the wrong side of somebody, so the ponzi scheme was ended. All for the greater good (or evil).

But Bernie might have a few millions (billions) socked away somewhere safe, and while he may do a bit of jail time, it might not be so hard as you think unless somebody really is pissed off, and life will be good for him again when he gets out. Maybe he even bought some property in Paraguay and will do some ranching with Bush.

Things are rarely as they seem.

Visible said...

Okay... the first one no one will appreciate but me... because I don't think that many people know who that is around here or what's going on. I think they expect more virtuosity instead of gratitude expressed by one who is thankful to do it.

The second was hampered by poor quality but I got it.

The third one is right there and thank you.

For anyone who is interested... every year around the summer solstice I travel to a small town in Germany for a bonfire drumming ceremony. As you might suspect I engage in some things that others don't and you don't have to either but if you would like to attend just get to my house before the event and I will take you there and you'll have free room and board... any and all of you... so keep it in mind. By spring of this year you may well be wishing you would.

I don't want to diminish the contributions here by responding to one thing or another and seemingly ignoring all of the rest. I don't. I read everything. The reason I used to not ever respond here is because it always gets incestuous. There's no escaping it. I've such an intense fondness for India that I may over react about her but she is my mother although I am white and anglo as it gets besides being born a Lutheran. You have to forgive my love of India it is everything I love and that is why I am saving it until the end.

I probably haven't been the best I could be and I haven't treated all of you with the respect you deserve. I didn't want to be able to do what I can do but understand that my abilities which this is just one of them have kept me in trouble my whole life. I didn't get a breather until recently. I've had at least forty years of non stop punishing experience. I'm not looking for sympathy because other people have experienced worse.

Other people didn't even get the chance to. My road made me tough but it made me gentle too. Knowing which is required when is the art and I didn't know which for a long time.

I don't know why I'm taking the time to say this to you, my friends, this evening. I think getting a comment from India just set me off and I had to weep as many a comment has made me weep here... both for the passion and the brilliance.

People... I'm no one at all but I am so pleased that you find comfort and succor here. If only some of the stellar contributors here would join with me to forge a community we would truly have some understanding of what is possible in life during the dark necessities of this Kali Yuga. Friends, I know what is coming AND I know it doesn't have to include those of us that won't let go of our toys so... you keep in mind what I've said here and you keep in mind that you can drop your life and merge it with ours and it doesn't have to be right here where I am. It can start here and then go anywhere.

The good news is that I won't be in charge... I won't be in charge of anything but my own life and the better news is that you won't be either... we have to check our identities at the door only to discover who we really are on the other side and one of the ways we discover who we are is in each other's eyes.

I'm rambling. I wanted to say something and I screwed the pooch as usual but someone will get what I'm saying.

Look! I carry large bags of dog food in my car to feed homeless dogs who are the cast off pets of people who just want an animal companion for the summer... how much more likely is it that I would be amenable to feeding you?

kikz said...

noticed the first part of my comment got cut off...

madoff fuk'd his tribe, did he not?

is there no greater sin? i don't think he'll be welcomed home w/open arms...

unless...
it was all moved offshore, untraceable & tax free...

and the poor investors get it twice. boohoo.

Visible said...

Pot:

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

Okay... anything is possible but and I say BUT!!!!!!!!!!! everything is under control and sometimes God does spring cleaning.

I know that some of you are atheists and that some of you say you believe but you don't really... that's hope, not belief.

If I ever said anything to you that you found memorable, let me say this... once again...please don't make me say this over and over and over and over.

We are composed of God. We are surrounded by God. In some ways we are God but we don't know that and... we shouldn't, given that we are a pack of ass clowns in a carnival designed by serial killers but hear me on this....

I have walked right into the face of the thing that wanted to kill me and did not die. I have taken acid in graveyards and danced with Smashin Tara. I've been marooned in haunted Indian burial grounds in the desert at least twenty miles from the nearest highway, forget town, I said 'highway' and I had then come all round and threaten me. They blew such fearful shit in my ear that you cannot imagine. Except for some exceptional individuals you would have been toast and I should have been were it not for the one who guides me and to whom ALL praises should be given... if praise we must give... truth to tell... God doesn't give a shit about praise though he/she does appreciate it IF it is sincere. Hey...so do I

What I did when the fifty foot Tibetan wrathful deities showed up... or when Kali appeared in the meadow at the lowest point or whenever things even stranger that I don't want to get into right now happened here is what I did.

I said..."How are you my friends?" Let's run!!! Let's ride!!! and we talked and danced all the way to the highway and trust me on this... if you don't get what I'm saying here then you should consider a career in formica and this years family and friends.

Don't disappoint me pilgrims because the hour is at hand and whatever I did is shit compared to the model that I sporadically base my intentions on and should you think this is false modesty well... there ain't no such animal.

Anonymous said...

(1) All Bernie's Jews are going to recover their money. They absolutely control the financial system. This recovery process is said to be already underway.
(2) Detestably, this recovered money will ultimately come through taxation on gentiles.
(3) Bernie is alleged to have deposited the original money Ponzied in Israeli banks.
(4) Bernie enjoys the option of moving to Israel anytime (taking away his US passport is meaningless), just like all the Jewish bad boys who have already done so.
(5) As ever, no bad consequences for Bernie and his fellow tribesmen.

R.A.

notamobster said...

B. Madoff with billions and they put N. Kashkari in charge of doling out the duckets to the bankers. So, he gets the check to cash'n'carry, while the other one made off with the loot. The list of colorful, almost smack-the-goy-in-the-face names seems cartoonish. I'm just waiting for the evil Dr. Watchmetakeit, and his sidekick U.B. Gettinrobbed.

Anonymous said...

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/
iceland-recession-banking-collapse

Maybe sell the country to Israel?
Pfennigs on the Krona!
Guess we gentiles simply aren't
hard-wired to be competent goniffs!

Anonymous said...

I stumbled upon this today: "The Madoff Double-Bluff" - www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41361....and, I totally agree.... Thank you so much for all your insights!

m_astera said...

Hi Les-
Ah, you're in bed as I write but it's only ten pm here. Glad you got the pasties joke. I really only had a beer before I wrote the last post, but I did buy the rum. Christmas is coming, real big deal here. No one will care if it's cheap ron at 2-3 am. I do know the Anniversario in the leather bag. That's the one that costs (over) ten times as much as Superior. On the topic, for those interested in such esoterica, what Venezuelans drink is scotch. True fact; I've read that this place consumes more scotch than anywhere else, per capita anyway. They sell four-packs of scotch at the grocery store. No, I'm not making that up. Enough on that.

I'm planning to show up there. Somehow. I have a vision of your olive orchard in my mind; under an overcast sky, but whatever the reason for that part (this next part is personal, so y'all might want to skip it) I tell those sweet spirits of nature 'most every day that I'd like to go visit my friend Les, at least for a visit.

One who is caretaking a two-century collection of real tools and books goes to visit first, so I wouldn't show up with much baggage.

The book is still selling steadily if slowly, even during the holidays. Spring will bring thoughts to people's minds of growing gardens again, so it looks like that's my best bet for financing the cheap plane ticket. See it happening? Thanks.

The very idea makes me smile.

greg said...

Les, your last moved me and brought this to mind, by Kahlil Gibran:

Love
Then said Almitra, "Speak to us of Love."

And he raised his head and looked upon the people, and there fell a stillness upon them.

And with a great voice he said:

When love beckons to you follow him,

Though his ways are hard and steep.

And when his wings enfold you yield to him,

Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.

And when he speaks to you believe in him,

Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.

Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,

So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.

He threshes you to make you naked.

He sifts you to free you from your husks.

He grinds you to whiteness.

He kneads you until you are pliant;

And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,

Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,

Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.

Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.

Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;

For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, I am in the heart of God."

And think not you can direct the course of love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself.

But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:

To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.

To know the pain of too much tenderness.

To be wounded by your own understanding of love;

And to bleed willingly and joyfully.

To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;

To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;

To return home at eventide with gratitude;

And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

Anonymous said...

Les,

I realized one day that there is truth. We are all one and this is the biggest soap opera of all. I read once that the universe started out the size of a golf ball (I used to teach physics). Somewhere in that golfball is all of us and every else as well.

Will be riding by in the spring. Maybe I will drop by and see about that festival. I used to make a living playing drums...

yeah, I have never figured out what I want to do or be but me.

maybe this was all just a big taste test for the next go around at life... More on that later.

turning a lot of people on to your music and writing.

Cheers,

Amicus

pot said...

Visible, I am inclined to pantheism myself, but mysticism not so much as it's too easy to lose yourself there.

If a cigar is just a cigar it becomes a question of it is a good cigar rolled between virgin thighs, or a bad cigar that is not. We are taught to believe Cuban cigars are evil cigars and not good cigars since they come from Cuba, a communist country. These evil cigars are much in demand by those who smoke them, some of whom created the Communism that made them evil, because they are good cigars as well . Things are not always as simple as they appear.

Alexander the Great discovered the bananna in 327 BC in India. Message: beware of evil dudes like with big banannas, what makes them happy can be bad for those they get their happiness from. Alexander the Great did much evil to earn that title, but did this evil do good?.

One of the pantheistic laws of nature is that there is both good and evil, one can not exist without the other, as love can not exist without hate.

God is an entity that is both beyond us and within us, and he/it created the forces and laws of nature, among which is Good and Evil. For every force there must be an equal and opposite force. God is neither Good nor Evil but the energy created by their conflict promotes evolution, an improvement of the species and nature itself.

Perhaps he or it has a favourite, Good or Evil, we can not know, but I think the evolution is the key, and when these opposite forces work in synergy, we evolve.

The concept of Good and Evil is the basis of dualism from which the early religions in Persia and Babylon used to corrupt Judaism during the Babylonian exile, and thus was the basis for the corruption of Christianity by the House of Herods agent Paul, and Islam was corrupted with the same ideas by the Sabians.

In some of the ancient religions both the good and evil gods were worshipped, sometimes only the evil one if it was deemed more powerful. The religion of the elite combines dualism with mysticism and is known in Gnosticism and Kaballah, and they believe that the god representing good to most of us is the evil one, and that representing evil to most us is the good one. It is a truly Orwellian world.

The thinking goes that Evil was created to do Good, and allows man to evolve to be godlike, with God coming to know himself through mans battle between the forces of Good (Evil) and Evil (Good) and his subsequent evolution.

The god the masses believe in is said to be a god who wants to keep man from the knowledge needed to evolve and become like him, and thus preventing the real God from knowing himself through man. So say the Luciferians who seek to destroy the god of superstition and ignorance and those who believe in the religions worshipping this god.

This will leave man free to pursue knowledge and evolve to his highest level using evil means that are not permitted by these religious beliefs that prevent man doing evil to achieve good.

Liberty is a code word of the elite which means freedom from gods (the good one which they call evil) laws. The French and American Revolutions were the first steps by the enlightenment to free themselves from religion and the constraints imposed upon them by gods laws with the creation of secular states. Marxism was the next step.

If you look at the wars and genocides of the last century, it was mainly religous Christians and religous Jews who were killed, and Communism was created to stamp out religion in the territory the wars allowed it to control and expanded into.

Today of course, the target is religous Islam and perhaps the Hindu population in India, at least among the lower castes, and perhaps in the Obama years the target will move to the religous right in America, and even the Great Whore they call the Roman Catholic Church. Tony Blairs conversion makes you wonder, doesn't it.

I am an adherent of no religion, but see that religion for the most part was meant to be good and fill the need of the people, but it was always corrupted by evil and taken over by evil to do evil, while pretending to do good.

I do not buy into the idea that the good angels or spirits influence one to do good and evil angels tempt us to do evil. But however these 2 forces manifest themselves, they seem to exist, and what we call evil is kicking ass.

Now my spirit might escape my body and be free in some mystical world of other spirits, but what is left behind might not do so good, not being one of the elite.

Collectively, as man tends to approach 100% evil, or 100% good, our evolution stops. Only when there is a balance and the 2 forces struggle is there evolution.

At the present time, the Luciferian elite are in control and thus will prevent any evolution among the non-elite classes, in fact, it appears there has been a significant de-evolution, at least among the lower classes, since they do not recognize evil as such and are oblivious of any struggle so long as their credit card is accepted.

The Luciferian elites plan is to cleanse the planet of inferior races and peoples and continue their evolution at a higher rate w/o being burdened and hampered by what the call the genetic pollution of humans they consider less valuable than beasts.

Alas, if Evil has no counter force to struggle against, how can they evolve? So they will likely turn on themselves, and in the process, plunge us into the Dark Ages and End of History.

Or perhaps they will invent some Evil that they, who will call themselves as the forces of Good, can fight. Perhaps the idea of Gaia as a dying Goddess will prompt a massive effort to get man off this planet and explore the universe.

Without the burden of 6.66 billion people using the planet as a giant feedlot to concern themselves with, they may even succeed in their continuing evolution.

Maybe a cigar is just a cigar though, and it's just about psychopaths getting off on exercising power to get more power.

Anonymous said...

I don't quite follow, what Madoff did so unusual?

He ran Ponzi scheme - so what. Come to think if it, isn't the whole stock market one big Ponzi scheme? when someone sells his stock with profit, hasn't the money come from others involved in the scheme? So, if some other "investment professional" is honestly investing clients' money in stocks, and winning, what is so different here from Madoff?

paolocaruso said...

VICTIMS, Do people on this blog actually believe that Wiesel, Speilberg, Zuckerman,Lautenberg and other extremely influential people are victims?

Do people actually believe that Madoff would screw all these zionist charities?

FACTS:

Madoff walked away from the courts with a smirk on his face.

The media and the courts completely ignore his niece, brother and sons. Spinning the sons as honest upright citizens who turned in the father.

If these Jews were so powerful, wouldnt Madoff be in jail and wouldnt the media be ripping him to shreds along with is family?

ISNT it strange how the Federal government immediately stood up an accepted the guilt of the SEC??

Isnt it consistent that SHANA another Shandra and Monica compromised the SEC investigator, to manipulate the interests of the tribe?

The representative of the Jewish victims proclaimed that they hold the US government totally accountable for the money they lost. And indeed the US taxpayers will compensate them for their losses.

THEIR LOSSES are in Israel. and those who claim to be victims are in on it.

SOME SEA CHANGES OF IMMENSE PROPORTIONS ARE IN PLAY IN THIS CRAZY WORLD. THE SHIT IS COMING DOWN FAST. I recommend that in this Madoff case, do not underestimate the depths, length
and complexity of the conspiracy. Cynicism and suspicion is paramount in these times. And its time for us to boldly inform anyone dogooder who attempts to inhibit such appropriate instincts to FCK OFF.

Its a scam and its they are all in on. We should be more concerned to why they are taking such bold and desperate measures at this time.
The shit is coming down and they know it.

Visible said...

Hey Paolo;

I could'nt agree more. Something very big and bad is on the horizon but I assure you that in the end they will fuck themselves. It is the nature of evil to shoot itself in the foot.

I do not explore or comment on that which I am not informed about. I tend to wait and see and stay in a relaxed stance with my knees slightly bent and my palms outward; if you catch my drift.

Anonymous said...

As always the post[s] edify the tribe. Not one was anal. Les got me thinking that I need a passport. It would be "nice" to embrace someone that was unblocked and eyes open. How did I land in Idaho? A story for another day, enough to say that karma and justice and everything else are ONE. And saying so is anal. Every body has one.. I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad. The evolution of Ja ironically juxtaposes the illusory into the extant matrix of eternal desire and the loneliness of the deity. So good to receive this blessed incarnation through the instrument of Gaia, to experience this unity even in the'time' of ending. Charges of egoism notwithstanding, probably not Here, At Home, I want to state the sense in Little Me that we are closer than brothers who dare the demons and transcend the mortal fears. We know [dont we?] that the next step takes us over the cliff of forever only to arrive again in forever. So I am in solidarity with the general 'take' on Bernie, along with the upbeat response of the noosphere re. the big meltdown. It may be uncomfortable but the chosen chelas are sufficiently adaptable to receive the convenient prescences of the. discarnate. It is special. The macrosphere barely contains the joy of knowledge You channel. How blessed can we be.

Anonymous said...

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41361
Very good article here--you can also find it at WRH. Helps explain things--
Jj

marxist-socialist said...

USA NEEDS REVOLUTIONARY-SOCIALIST LEADERS WITH HEART AND CHRISTIAN SOCIALIST SOULS LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN, NOT THE CORPORATE CROOKS THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE LATE 1800S

Damn: it is so sad that America democratic social system only lasted a few years (from 1776 to late 1800s), and that we've had a satanic corporate military empire from late 1800s to 2008)


Proclamation Appointing a National Fast Day

Washington, D.C.March 30, 1863
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/fast.htm

Senator James Harlan of Iowa, whose daughter later married President Lincoln's son Robert, introduced this Resolution in the Senate on March 2, 1863. The Resolution asked President Lincoln to proclaim a national day of prayer and fasting. The Resolution was adopted on March 3, and signed by Lincoln on March 30, one month before the fast day was observed.

By the President of the United States of America.
A Proclamation.

Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!


It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.


Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.


All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.


In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.


Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.


By the President: Abraham Lincoln
William H. Seward, Secretary of State.

marxist-socialist said...

SEE FOR YOURSELF IF GORE VIDAL (WHO SAID THAT USA DOESN'T HAVE 2 PARTIES, BUT 1 CAPITALIST PARTY) IS WRONG OR RIGHT:

Obama & Biden To Protect Bush Administration Criminals

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-biden-to-protect-bush-administration-criminals.html

A Gloria said...

Welcome back, Vis. I was wondering where you were. I figured you were (A) out tending your olive or (B)taking a rest after that knock-down dragout fight with Maestro. :) So the Internet is being interrupted again. Suprise, surprise!

(Ah, dear Maestro; mistress of the oblique. I must admit I found her pretty amusing. Her shtick was, "Psst! Psst! I know something you don't!" She never would give a straight answer to anything. Once she jumped on you, however, I stopped laughing.)

Since last time I attempted to e-mail President-elect Obama. Change.gov would not take my email; neither would his website. I did manage finally to get through to Obama's campaign website (because I was a contributor) but all I got back was a generic response. I put a letter in the mail last week. Here is the text:

Dear President-elect Obama:

Ccongratulations to you and Vice-President-elect Biden. I wish all the best to you and your families.

I see from your website Change.gov that you are seeking the input of everyday Americans. Well, I am very happy to do my part.

Problem 1: The Economy

To paraphrase the Emerald City guard in “The Wizard of Oz:” No More Bailouts. For Nobody. No How.”

Not unless those asking for them agree (in writing, with witnesses) to:

A) Keep as much of their workforce working as possible;

B) Forgo executive bonuses;

C) Cut dividends (with people losing their jobs and houses and sleeping in tents, the bottom line has been moved);

D) Operate with complete transparency; in other words, they cannot take our tax money, stick it in their pockets (or someone else’s) and then refuse to tell what they did with it.

Next: Repeal Bush’s tax cuts, reinstate the estate tax, give tax breaks to family farmers, small businesses, and to the middle class (those earning between $50-$100 thousand
per year.

Then: Restore the Depression-Era laws that were originally created to prevent things like this from ever happening again---laws that Phil Gramm and his ilk have so gleefully and systematically dismantled.

Problem 2: Unemployment

You have expressed your interest in creating green jobs. There is certainly plenty of work to be done here in America, particularly on our infrastructure: roads, bridges, sewers, levees and schools. We also need to preserve and protect our natural resources (wetlands, parks, rivers, lakes, etc.). Another area that needs serious revamping is transportation: mass transit and railroads.

Problem 3: Housing

Every effort needs to be made to keep people from losing their homes, whether it be by renegotiating/restructuring mortgages, or granting tax incentives to lenders who are willing to be flexible.

Part of your employment program could include rehabilitating foreclosed homes and building new ones to provide energy-efficient and affordable housing for everyone. (Brad Pitt has being doing an excellent job of this in New Orleans. Are you familiar with “Katrina houses?” If not, Google them.)

Well, that’s all for now. I’ll leave you with a joke: A few weeks before the election, I saw a newspaper cartoon. One guy says (I’m paraphrasing here): “I’d rather vote for a candidate I can sit down and have a beer with.” The second guy says, “Yeah, but will he be around for the hangover?”

Thanks for listening, Pres.-elect. Merry Christmas and Happy Kwanzaa to you and yours. May you have a blessed and peaceful New Year.

Sincerely,



Gloria A.

I also sent an article from Ode magazine about communiity financing, another from GuardianUK about Bush's midnight bills, and a list of references:


Some recommended reading:


Thieves In High Places by Jim Hightower

The Great Unraveling by Paul Krugman

“25 Ways To Lift The Curse,” Mother Jones Vol. 33 #5 September/October 2008

“Motor City Meltdown,” The Nation Vol. 287 #20 December 15, 2008


Useful websites:


AppolloAlliance.org

www.thevenusproject.com

www.cbpp.org (The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities)

I've started composing the next one; there will be four in all. While it's true they may choose to ignore me, I'm still going to throw my ideas out there and hope they take root.

Anyhoo, Happy Solstice, Merry Christmas, Happy Festivus, or whatever else you may observe.
Peace.

12/22/08

in retrospect said...

Visible posted:

“I’m going to show up right in the middle of the evil right while it is going on and I am going to kick some ass. I’m going to catch people with their pants down and I’m going to catch them with the wrong person’s undergarments on their heads. I’m going to parade them before the world and I am going to take away everything they hold dear.”

This sounds similar to the vision I had of a Neocon Zoo with locked glass partitioned walls to imprison the individuals whom commited crimes against humanity. If we agreed to heat/air-condition the zoo cell vestibules, we wouldn’t even have to clothe Bernie and his playmates… just let them stroll around in their cubicles wearing their birthday suits, stripped of every shred of clothing and dignity they once had. People would pay to see this Zoo, and if we put wheels on it we could display the Zoo in every country for the surviving lives that Bernie and Bush, et al, fucked-up. We can only dream and hope for this Divine possibility of redemption.

With regard to the many Christians who are sitting on their roof and on mountain tops; waiting for the second coming of Christ… how would they even know Christ if they met Him (or Her)? Perhaps Christ has already appeared several times in the last 2000 years, and was either ignored or executed. What if the spirit of Christ was embodied in the flesh of David Koresh of the Waco Texas Branch Davidians; however, wasn’t David fried along with his religious followers before they even received a trial? Or what if the spirit of Christ was embodied in the flesh of Timothy McVey; however, wasn’t Timothy executed for “single-handedly” blowing-up a Federal Building in Oklahoma City with a homemade fertilizer bomb? We never even knew who David and Timothy were - other than what we were told, and we will never know who Jesus was - other than what the Bible tells us. Therefore, we can really never know who a savior was or will be.

On a more optimistic thought paralleling Les Visible’s vision: What if by some far-fetched circumstance, a World leader came out of obscurity, arrested ALL of humanity’s nefarious criminals such as Bernie Madoff, George W. Bush, the Neocons, the Zionists, the Illuminati leaders, etc., and delivered them at our feet in unconditional surrender? Would you faithfully follow this delivery person as the Savior, or might you be looking for the fine print at the bottom of this questionable document for the unconditional surrender of evil?

My point is this: it is easier to win the souls of people through a good illusion of peace, than an evil portrait of war. Even if all the evil-doers of the World were eliminated today, they would each be replaced by someone else tomorrow who is just a bad or worse than their predecessor. Evil will always be within the circle of life, as will the good dreams and hopes of ending it. One thing that Bernie Madoff did demonstrate is that evil is cannibalistic and eats its own; therefore, hope still exists.

Anonymous said...

No SEC diligence--No due diligence on the part of firms that will stick a microscope up your ass for a $5,000 car loan--simply shows how widespread the scam really is--you're in the know--or you're fucked--Chase-BOA-all of them--We are well past our Failsafe points
Paper trails will go cold--investigations will be thwarted--calls made--favors owed--
No surprise there.
It's the smirk stupid--Madoff--Bush--it's in that "fuck you" Teflon smirk and the cold black eyes--Companies and banks chewed up--workers spit out--plane crashes planned
They already control the money--all of it--it's in the destruction-- THAT is the Jewish Viagra. Always destruction.
Maybe a Molotov New Year......
There was a survey on WRH asking if what is happening in Greece will happen in the USA--I never looked up the results--didn't have to--no matter what they said--most Americans are pussies and the only ones protesting or lighting up the night will just be doing it to add a little excitement to their Friday night----They will burn up peoples cars, peoples small businesses--their tax dollars will go to rebuild any gov't buildings firebombed --the more things change--you know the rest. My only hope is that those in the middle east will, for a time, band together and throw everything they have at Israel--their agents to be dispatched to the banker havens--get them on the run-- --post their pictures and addresses on the internet--their places of business--their yacht names--jet numbers--
Let the worm turn.....slowly....generation after generation.....
Strike at the root.....
Ahhhh purpose in life!!

Jj

Nick said...

If everybody in the world just ignored them,
then surely they would all just disappear?

B.D. said...

V.

You know who I am, think Maui.

What a great collection of respondents.

I remember you kicking those locals ass at Piero's Cafe and that other time at K 3 when Noah pushed me against the wall in the men's room. I really thought you were dead because you always used to come back.

Remember Paradise Fruits? Remember Chick City? You rocked the house man and you did it with huge ugly monkeys on your back.

I'm glad you're not dead and you seem to be doing well. I know you have my number. It hasn't changed. Call me.

Maui is fucked now brother. It seems like it is fucked everywhere. I'm still in Kula and still with Cyd.

I miss you. Everyone misses you.

B.D. said...

Sorry bra

Bud turned me on to your sites.

I just don't know what to say it's been a long time. Ten years now I think. My daughter Lea is married and expecting a child. Do you believe this?

Please call me. I want to talk to you. I know you were out of your mind but you did me some total solids. Fucking call me. It's time for some payback.

m_astera said...

greg, thank you for the Kahlil Gibran quotes. Thanks to the mad TRB fools of the sufi school, those who have the courage to walk the world with a raw and open heart. That is true courage.

Visible said...

Bill... I don't have your number and you should just email me at lesvisible@gmail.com
Don't fill people's heads with wild unfinished tales and chick city is not capitalized (grin). Good to hear from you. I probably should have let Noah finish the job.

All kidding aside, you're right. Lots of time passing and that won't end until it does. You give Cyd my best although I expect she doesn't like me any more now that she did then.

You write me and I will call you. I don't have any numbers any more. No.... I can't even call myself because I don't even know my own number. That's how it is. It ain't pretty but I can still put my foot against my ear.

kikz said...

pot...

you really should get over the deification propaganda that is the cult of lincoln...wake up.

lincoln was the fed's bitch.




http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo30.html

The year 1832 is significant because that was the year of the big showdown over the rechartering of the Bank of the United States between President Andrew Jackson and the bank’s president, Nicolas Biddle. Jackson won the showdown, the bank became defunct, and the Whig Party was created largely in response to it and in response to Henry Clay’s failure to prevail with the "Tariff of Abominations," which would have raised average tariff rates to nearly 50 percent.

A central bank was the potential political lifeblood of the Whig Party, and no one was more devoted to resurrecting it than was Lincoln. As University of Virginia historian Michael Holt writes in his treatise, The Rise and Fall of the Whig Party, during the 1840, 1844, and 1848 elections Lincoln "crisscrossed the state ardently and eloquently defending specific Whig programs like a national bank . . . . Few people in the party were so committed to its economic agenda as Lincoln." In 1848 Lincoln stumped for Zachary Taylor, promising that if he were elected he would revive the central bank. He would continue to criticize Jackson and advocate central banking for the rest of his political career.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo32.html

The Federalist/Whig/Republican policy of mercantilism was finally put into place during the first eighteen months of the Lincoln administration. The average tariff rate was tripled, and would remain that high or higher for decades after the war. The building of the government-subsidized transcontinental railroad (in California) was commenced even though a desperate war was being waged. The National Currency Acts and the Legal Tender Act finally created a central bank that could issue currency (greenbacks) that was not immediately redeemable in gold or silver. An income tax was adopted for the first time ever, as was military conscription, pervasive excise taxation, and the internal revenue bureaucracy was created. It was the triumph of American mercantilism and the beginning of the end of laissez faire capitalism in America.

kikz said...

beg pardon, pot..

that commentary on lincoln was meant for marxist-socialist's latest...

Bholanath said...

"Bholanath" here. Hope you don't mind me contacting/connecting here.

Thank you for your kind words. Your understanding, both of yourself, your own nature, and of mine and others' natures passing through these sometimes suffocating times makes me weep also. The important thing, I think, is that we recognize one another (our Selves) in a big widespread community all over this world. We have been here in similar situations many times before, but seems like we have to experience intense isolation this time around. But it's a false illusory distance. And I am confident we will surely have those opportunities to realize communion around the dhuni fire one day, even in this cycle.

Sometimes I'm almost at the pit of despair at the tragedy of so few "out there/here" who are articulating both the horror and the humor of the situation, but I am full of gratitude for your presence (and most of the commentators) in cyber-world. Thanks and praises, Ras. Cyber-world is sure savin our asses, or our sanity at least.

The one saving Grace that keeps me on the planet is MUSIC. In this round I've had the extraordinary Grace of studying with, hearing and accompanying-on-tour the greatest living master musicians, dancers, and nad-yogis on earth, many who've now passed on. I wasn't born into it, didn't start till I was 21, but they all were incredibly kind and infinitely generous to this lame-ass white cracker who began the journey with only the desire to understand/comprehend/appreciate what they were doing, nothing more. It was in Vietnam days, and I just wanted to be around something "real" and learn something, before the world blew up. So in '68 I hitched across Canada (draft-dodger), caught a $100 plane ride from Newfoundland to Scotland, hitched my way to Benares. Ravi Shankar and Allah Rakha had given me a note of intro to the Mahant of Sankat Mochan Hanuman temple, who was my first teacher. Along the way I've studied with 10 monster muthafuckers, both Hindu and Muslim. It's a never-ending journey, of course, and I continue my studies (my ass-being-kicked) with two top bad-asses from Orissa. And I'm naturally an unabashed Hanuman-bhakt and Kali-bhakt. Needless to say it's always been a hard landing and integration coming back from many 1-2 year sojourns over India-side. The stunning beauty of all I've witnessed stays always present and tears run every day, as I listen to recordings of the dudes and chicks who've dropped my head to the floor repeatedly.

I'm in New Mexico now, 1/2 hour north of Taos, where I've been based for 20 years. Just this year found my lady love/truth-consort (at 61!). I was in India for 9 months in 2007. I played every night for a month in the temple in Gangotri. Love the Himalayas, Himachal, Gharwal, can't take the plains/cities much any more. Didn't yet make it to Arunachala, but have friends there. Have tried to play in Amerikan temples (Shiva, Hanuman, Kali, etc.) over the years, and also with some of the leading pop-kirtan wallahs, but it all mostly drained my energy/spirit. Too too much of that glam glam and about-me shit that you know of so well. But sometimes the good posse comes together, and we rock the house with praises to the one-tooth trunk-face, and all the others (aspects of us and life).
Being in the southwest, I did spend time (9 months) on Hopi. I try to visit when I can for dances. Cleanest place on the earth IMHO. This summer we witnessed a torrential storm develop as the Flute Dancers ascended to the top of Second Mesa. Also in '82 I saw the last Snake Dance that was open to outsiders. Same thing happened, plus the most beautiful songs ever heard, and that evidence of collective unified concentration resulting in Grace from the Devic realms. When, in '82, I first made it there, I got the feeling fully downloaded about my spirit being actually really at home on this continent for the first time in my life. That's why, though I bailed in Vietnam days, I'm reluctant to bail again. I watch my back, my friends' backs, and keep up the relative invisibility, but say 'yes' to any opportunity to play out. Its a moment to moment balance deciding how to move and where, out there, on planes, on the highways...not giving into fear, reading the 'signs', moving with that "ease" you speak of. We are all under the Protection, right?

A strange thing happened after the 9 months on Hopi. Was fresh off the rez (and Big Mountain camp) in Flagstaff. United Nuclear Corporation was giving a slide-show/PR/bullshit presentation in the Hyatt to convince everyone how cool their plan for uranium-mining next to Grand Canyon would be. Hall was full, some Natives standing around the back. I "coincidently" met up with the CEO in the men's room. Holy shit! He spoke first - " Isn't it great we can dialogue, blah blah..." Something happened and I must have channelled a combination of Hanuman's flawless oratory and the "way-it-is" of the Hopi elders, 'cause I flamed him with the truth of the situation. Anyway.....next day, I read in the newspaper: the dude is dead of a heart-attack! The mining project never materialized. I can not in any way say what it means. It just simply occurred, is a strange memory, and raises all sorts of questions.

At the time of my first Saturn return, '74 in Delhi, I thought I wanted to "get out of here" for good. I climbed to the top of abandoned minaret, took strong medicine, stood on the ledge, turned my eyes to the sky, asked for .....well, something. I had been meditating on Sri Yantra for months. She, Kali-ma, came with full force. Showed the full grand play of her lila, all the Devi Bhagavatam stories before my eyes. Proceeded, in the form of every predator that ever existed, to devour me (in the form of every prey) for eons across light-years. That took some time. The next thing was the consuming morphed into fucking. We fucked in every form imaginable, for ages. She showed me her ultimate nature is love and compassion incomparable. Showed me the Earth is the true Island of Jewels (Manidvipa). Witnessed each of my breath-cycles enveloped in Her bringing about the creation and destruction of the universes. I was the corpse of Mahadev, she the life-giver. Anyway, that was once upon a time. You and I, we've seen a lot, lots has happened. The Kali revelation (the sexy parts) is something that I can't share with the new age Ramakrishna devotee Kali worshippers in California, unfortunately (or the Ammachi devotees). They love my playing, but want me to just shut up otherwise. Oh well. Many don't like my long history with the cactus allies who've helped my practice from the beginning either. Or the green herbal irie-ness. Jeezuz, get over yourselves, people!

Much of my later life has concerned animal friends too. Being a Hanuman-bhakt, the monkey research was over the top for me. Led me on a research journey that became eventually a "friendly" relationship with the ALF and ELF. Not active now, except as a lone nut. Worked in wildlife rehab and ran the local animal shelter here for 3 years.

Just wanted to touch bases with you, let you know a bit of my history/perspective here from 7500 ft. in the falling snow on the second day of the new year as the sun conjuncts pluto (shiva). May shiva's third-eye laser atomize all the dip-shit psycho alien monotheistic gold-worshipping freaks who are so retarded they can only miss all the awesome magic and try to shit on the beauty, as their way of spending their unacknowledged/unappreciated precious birth here.
And, can you please make this happen, if not by Xmas, then at least by spring?!

You're welcome here any time. Otherwise we meet in Italy, Germany, or India. (I have musician co-conspirators in Umbria and Berlin too.) We got the good mezcal also on hand, or if not, the patron silver or equal.

As 'anonymous' said today:
"we are closer than brothers who dare the demons and transcend the mortal fears"

Visible said...

I'm crying now and I don't like crying because it brings on the rage and sometimes I just want to hurt the people who hurt me.

In all my life I have never gotten such Christmas presents.

I am more thankful than my words can express.

m_astera said...

Jj, your post reminds me for some reason of this egregore thought that I've had for a while. Don't think I've ever written or talked about it with anyone. Egregore is a word that I don't know the origin of, but what it means is a collection of dead people's souls... or probably not exactly souls. Don't know if they are souls or not, dead people's personalities? They gather in clots on the infra-red plane of existence, the next one up from this dense matter plane. See Robert Monroe's writings for instances. Kyle Griffith's War in Heaven is another good source.

The idea as I get it is that some self-centered entity collects a bunch of followers in this material lifetime, sucking their energy to feed his own, and when he dies he continues to suck the energy from his living followers. At the same time, those followers that worship him are drawn to him after death, and become a part of a group mind on the infra-red plane, a group mind that feeds off of the religious (or other) practices of those still alive. One corollary to this would be that the religion this entity founded would always be looking for converts, and would encourage all followers to have as many children as possible, these children to be raised in the faith.

I'm not picking on Catholics or Mormons here, though they are visible examples. The Baal worshipers of the old Middle East are too, as are the Aztecs. The Aztecs were into human sacrifice big-time; Bernal Diaz who accompanied and journaled Cortez' conquest of Mexico reported 15,000 freshly flayed skulls displayed on wooden racks when the Spaniards entered Tenochtitlan. The crowd of worshipers were hypnotized and their energy sucked up by the egregore, along with the life energy of the sacrifices. Diaz writes that the priests smeared the sacrificial blood into their long uncut hair, stiffening it with stinking gore that was never washed out. (The details make it real, don't you think?) It was all feeding the egregore.

The Aztecs related well to the bloody, tortured, crucified god that the Spaniards brought, but their pet egregores were no longer fed; the sacrifice now went to a different grouping of energies. Some say the egregores of the Aztecs migrated North in search of food and became the Windigo of the northern tribes before eventually fading away.

What I'm getting at here is the egregore of the Jews. For some time, perhaps centuries but at least for a century, we have been hearing about the six million dead Jewish victims. The Zionists tried it out after WWI, claiming six million dead Jews, but it didn't fly. Ran it up the flagpole without getting any salutes after WWII as well, but they have managed to draw attention to the thought-form since the 1970s when they invented the holocaust scenario. Always six million Jews dying.

Mediocre research will show that the Jewish population of Europe didn't diminish very much based on the censuses before and after either WWI or WWII; not by six million anyway. What I'm thinking about here is that maybe the egregore is working on the idea that six million newly dead recruits would produce some sort of critical mass, and that critical mass would be enough to turn the whole planet into its worshipers and food source.

So how many Jews are concentrated in Israel right now? And why is some perverse part of them just begging to get whacked really hard?

Anonymous said...

Thank you both for allowing me to be present--in your moment
Jj

m_astera said...

Bholanath-- it wasn't to me, but thanks bro. Anyone know where Jerry Brian (from Mexico) and Tam Goodman (from Ethiopia) are? They need to be here.
michael.astera@gmail.com

kikz said...

well i thought i saw it post..

beg pardon pot,

my comments inre lincoln were addressed to 'marxist-socialist'...

pot said...

kikz - Lincoln being the Feds bitch seems a bit strong, or more accurately a bitch of the Money Power.

Near the close of the war, in reply to a letter from a friend in Illinois, President Lincoln said:

" It has been indeed a trying hour for the republic ; but I see in the near future, a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed.

I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."

Doesn't sound too happy with the Money Power, maybe an ungrateful bitch.

Besides, London Money Powers and their agents on Wall Street would not lend Lincoln money at less than 30% interest, so he flipped them the bird and issued greenbacks. Initially the greenbacks were to be issued without exception under the Legal Tender Act, but USTS Chase and the Senate then was bought off to add an exception for paying tarriffs and interest on public debt, which caused it's devaluation. They were issued without debt and not through a central bank.

Lincoln did support a Central Bank, primarily to fund the railroads which was his passion. But the National Banking Act was the product of a corrupt Congress and the USTS Chase who supported the exception clause making it necessary to borrow from the banks controlled by the Money Powers in London. It was legalized theft. Lincoln was likely deceived by USTS Chase or did not fully understand this National Banking Act which allowed the banks to create their own money by buying bonds held on deposit by the UST, which earned them interest, and then getting 90% of the money back to loan out to others, earning more interest.

Chase later went to the Supreme Court and ruled that the Legal Tender Act was unconstitutional. This was the good Act, especially in it's orginal form in the House.

Lincoln was a Hamiltonian, but some of what he did was a result of the war. I am hardly a Hamiltonian, but this was a war that needed fighting, and some of the actions may have been warranted given the British and French threat.

The Money Powers in London and their agents on Wall Street were upset with Lincolns greenbacks. He issued 400 million of them saving over 4 billion in interest or lost profits for the Money Powers.

They were also upset at his alliance with Russia to prevent the British and French from interfering with Lincolns blockade. The British had recently been at war with Russia. The cost of the Czars protection was buying Alaska, to pay the debt without knowing about it we bough it. It was knwn as Sewells Folly, paying good money for a big block of ice with a few polar bears and eskimos on it.

The Civil War was a plan by the Money Powers in London to divide the US and have 2 central banks, one in the south and one in the north, and have both sides contantly at war with each other. They were not happy the North won this war, and credit has to go to Lincoln.

When it became obvious the North would win, and Lincoln would prevent the Money Powers agents on Wall Street from descending on the South, the decision was made to get rid of him.

Lincoln and the Czar were both killed, although the Czar was done in for a different reason by Lenins brother, as he was an obstacle to the plans for Communism in Russia.

The Knights of the Golden Circle were formed in 1854, although some elements were known under other names since 1833 when attempts were made on Jacksons life for blocking the renewal of the 2nd national bank. They were also implicated in Lincolns assassination.

But once the plan to divide the US by the Money Powers was approved, which was in 1857, the Knights of the Golden Circle were used to encourage the Southern States to secede and set up their own banks in each state.

So the Civil War was a great conspiracy, and as you said, led to much of the evil we see today. The end of slavery was a good thing, but the Money Power through their agent Albert Pike set up the KKK to prevent the blacks from integrating with whites, and these racial tensions that still exist today are likely to be used by the Money Power in the coming years to rock this country again.

But lets not blame it all on Lincoln being the Feds bitch.

And Rockwell/Ron Paul are controlled dissident agents of the Money Power. The Gold Standard would destroy this countries ability to rebuild after they destroy our currency and economy. Thats what the Money Power wants, and thats why Ron Paul got the press and funding he did, limited though it was. So do not believe everything you read there (there are some nuggets among the disinformation pieces).

pot said...

More on Pike if permitted. He was associated with the Knights of the Golden Circle while exiled in Canada during the war. Although born in Boston he was a Confederate. He was a 33rd degree, Sovereign Grand Master of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, Co-Founder of the Ku Klux Klan and Supreme Luciferian Pontiff.

In a letter to Mazzini, August 15th, 1871 he outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the New World Order (One World Government).

There is some question as to if this letter really existed. Supposedly, the letter was on display briefly in the British Museum Library, London, and it was copied by William Carr. Carr was a former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy and detailed this letter in his book 'Satan: Prince of This World', 1928. Carr learned about the letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago,Chile, who wrote 'The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled' 1925.

The key is as you read below, there is no question about the contents, whether if from Pikes letter or someone else who wanted to attribute these ideas to Pike and get the word out, but it was printed before WW II, in 1928.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars inRussia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the 'agentur' (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war,Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." [ok, thats history in 1928]

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the politicalZionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." [nice prophecy, although Mein Kamph had been published even if Hitler was not in power, and the Balfour declaration and political zionism, and communism were in existence, although who could have imagined communism spreading in 1928]

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute Atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

So it is pretty accurate about WW II and today and the conflict with Islam, although one could see that Israel in Palestine would promote conflict with Islam if one was thinking about such things in 1928.

The Bush years have certainly caused a disillusionment with Christianity and that could not be foreseen in 1928. If accurate, it gives you an idea of what is coming, it sounds like the Global Warming Bunnies might be organized to go after the Christian Right, and then Al Qaeda is not happy with what some of those on the Christian Right call the Great Whore, who has been discredited with pedophilia and it's birth control edicts.

To understand the last part of Pikes predictions, if they were even his, Pike wrote a book called Morals and Dogma that must be read. Here are some quotes which give some more insight into what these guys are about.

"The Holy Kabalah, or tradition of the children of Seth, was carried from Chaldæa by Abraham, taught to the Egyptian priesthood by Joseph, recovered and purified by Moses, concealed under symbols in the Bible, revealed by the Saviour to Saint John, and contained, entire, under hieratic figures analogous to those of all antiquity, in the Apocalypse of that Apostle.

The Kabalists consider God as the Intelligent, Animated, Living Infinite. He is not, for them, either the aggregate of existences, or existence in the abstract, or a being philosophically definable. He is _in_ all, _distinct_ from all, and _greater_ than all. His name even is ineffable; and yet this name only expresses the human ideal of His divinity. What God is in Himself, it is not given to man to comprehend. God is the absolute of Faith; but the absolute of _Reason_ is BEING, [Hebrew].

The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a _Person_, but a _Force_, created for good, but which _may_ serve for evil. _It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will_. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God PAN; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or _Phosphor_, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.

Synesius, Bishop of Ptolemaïs, a great Kabalist, but of doubtful orthodoxy, wrote: "The people will always mock at things easy to be misunderstood; it must needs have impostures." "A Spirit," he said, "that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes to accept it.... Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason."

The Occult Science of the Ancient Magi was concealed under the shadows of the Ancient Mysteries: it was imperfectly revealed or rather disfigured by the Gnostics: it is guessed at under the obscurities that cover the pretended crimes of the Templars; and it is found enveloped in enigmas that seem impenetrable, in the Rites of the Highest Masonry.

Magism was the Science of Abraham and Orpheus, of Confucius and Zoroaster. It was the dogmas of this Science that were engraven on the tables of stone by Hanoch and Trismegistus. Moses purified and re-_veiled_ them, for that is the meaning of the word _reveal_. He covered them with a new veil, when he made of the Holy Kabalah the exclusive heritage of the people of Israel, and the inviolable Secret of its priests. The Mysteries of Thebes and Eleusis preserved among the nations some symbols of it, already altered, and the mysterious key whereof was lost among the instruments of an ever-growing superstition. Jerusalem, the murderess of her prophets, and so often prostituted to the false gods of the Syrians and Babylonians, had at length in its turn lost the Holy Word, when a Prophet announced to the Magi by the consecrated Star of Initiation, came to rend asunder the worn veil of the old Temple, in order to give the Church a new tissue of legends and symbols, that still and ever conceals from the Profane, and ever preserves to the Elect the same truths.

The Secret of the Occult Sciences is that of Nature itself, the Secret of the generation of the Angels and Worlds, that of the Omnipotence of God. "_Ye shall be like the Elohim, knowing good and evil_," had the Serpent of Genesis said, and the Tree of Knowledge became the Tree of Death. For six thousand years the Martyrs of Knowledge toil and die at the foot of this tree, that it may again become the Tree of Life. The Absolute sought for unsuccessfully by the insensate and found by the Sages, is the TRUTH, the REALITY, and the REASON of the universal equilibrium!

Equilibrium is the Harmony that results from the analogy of Contraries. Until now, Humanity has been endeavoring to stand on one foot; sometimes on one, sometimes on the other. Civilizations have risen and perished, either by the anarchical insanity of Despotism, or by the despotic anarchy of Revolt.

Of that Equilibrium between Good and Evil, and Light and Darkness in the world, which assures us that all is the work of the Infinite Wisdom and of an Infinite Love; and that there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness co-existent and in eternal controversy with God, or the Principle of Light and of Good: by attaining to the knowledge of which equilibrium we can, through Faith, see that the existence of Evil, Sin, Suffering, and Sorrow in the world, is consistent with the Infinite Goodness as well as with the Infinite Wisdom of the Almighty.

Sympathy and Antipathy, Attraction and Repulsion, each a Force of nature, are contraries, in the souls of men and in the Universe of spheres and worlds; and from the action and opposition of each against the other, result Harmony, and that movement which is the Life of the Universe and the Soul alike. They are not antagonists of each other.

The force that repels a Planet from the Sun is no more an _evil_ force, than that which attracts the Planet toward the central Luminary; for each is created and exerted by the Deity..."[thus if evil is created and exerted by God it must be ok]

Sounds like a religous war, at least in some of these guys minds. Other might just be on a power trip.

Kevin John said...

"God doesn't give a shit about praise though he/she does appreciate it IF it is sincere. Hey...so do I."

Praise given, and we will light a candle with you in mind this holiday.
Excellent post Les, and a very interesting comment here.
I get nervous when I bump into some of my Wiccan friends who say they speak to 'higher' spiritual guides, but then Rev. Hagee must be also, and it certainly hasn't hurt his financial statements.
How can one differentiate between a demon or an angel?


".. firms that will stick a microscope up your ass for a $5,000 car loan."
Aint that the God's honest truth.

jj, you always crack me up!

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kikz said...

pot
'I am hardly a Hamiltonian, but this was a war that needed fighting'

you really do sound like one....at the heart of it..


do tell.... why this war needed fighting?

47.06% tariff rate not enough plunder for lincoln and his aims of empire?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo17.html

and what's your problem w/state banks? the north had them also.

ah yes, lincoln's boohooing..
he finally figured out even he couldn't control the bankers hence his ' oh my we're in deep shit' comment..

at least the mises institute, lew rockwell, and dilorenzo back up their claims w/facts. while i'm no fan of catholic sympathies, austrian or otherwise, dilorenzo is northern born, an economist by training, and a university professor by trade, he has no 'southern' axe to grind. dilorenzo's vast archive of verified research was the first actual push back against the distortions of history that surround the south, pre and post war for southern independence, that i've found. his work on lincoln is also mirrored by another, unconnected and much earlier source, circa early 1900's in one Gustavas Myers, who gives much information on lincoln, his railroad and dealings w/the Rothschild Robber Barons; Gustavas Myers "History of the Great American Fortunes)
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/myers/myers_index.html
hat tip to yamagucy for hosting myers' book and many other great, hard to find online reads.


Pike...
you've stirred the wrong ant hill as far as Pike is concerned. i've studied Morals & Dogma for well over 8 yrs now, so there isn't too terribly much you can tell be about it.
it can be found online, however, w/o the original 'digest' at the end:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm


i've already addressed the (hoax) Mazzini letter in another post quite recently, and left a link...which i'm guessing you didn't notice.

it's amazing to me, that Pike is so reviled even today and as hard as his accusers have worked since at least the 1860's... they have only innuendo and absolutely no proof of their charges; of his part in any international plot to overthrow the world's governments, founding or membership in the klan, or the most absurd, palladism.

so where's your proof pot...of Pike's being the founder or member of the klan?


here's the link, if anyone cares to read up on the taxil hoax, as well as the massini letter, which has been publicly proved a hoax since 1871?.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/evil/dwf/index.htm

the Mazzini letter was part and parcel of a hoax committed by leo taxil and later recanted by his own word/admission to the 'holy see'. needless to say they were not happy at having been duped.

and no, your excerpt frm M&D does not 'sound like' a religous war...
Pike is explaining the duality of our reality w/in this dimension, and how ultimately all comes down to freewill and how it is utilized.

evil is created by man in the ill reasoned use of his freewill.

m_astera said...

Angels only remember the future, demons only remember the past.

m_astera said...

kikz-

As I've said far too many times to far too many, just about everything they tell you is true is a lie, just about everything they say is good for you is bad for you and vice versa, and anyone presented as a hero or villain in the accepted historical drama is likely the opposite.

Lincoln was certainly a villain, as was George Washington. Aaron Burr was a hero, Alex Hamilton was banker-owned scum. Tom Jefferson falls somewhere in the middle; he gets a partial pass as he was such a charming elitist. He was also the foolish tool of Adam Weishuapt; note where Jefferson spent a good part of the late 1800s.

The misinterpretation of Pike's words by the very same short-sighted and ignorant that he was warning against just prove his point. Nonetheless,whatever the source of the letter it was prophetic and has proven true, exactly as the Protocols have proven true.

kikz said...

to m_a..

agreed the 'letter' was prophetic as was/is the protocols..
my point was that 'it' in no way can be proven to be attributed to Pike.
the palladism charge is just beyond the pale.

we are in total agreement on washington... as he left paine in prison in france to rot, but was thwarted by franklin's getting him released. if that weren't bad enuff, washington's actions concerning the whisky rebellion should garner him a high place in the hall of shame. i've 'heard' brother george, may have met w/a slightly untimely death inre his actions later in life, partly attributable to that rebellion and its aftermath.

pot said...

kikz, The war needed fighting to keep the country intact. The Southern states would simply have been taken over by the European Money Powers. We had no income tax, so tarriffs were how government got their revenue and protected American Industry which could not compete with Europe otherwise.

I agree with Hamilton on the need for protectionism and I do not agree with secession. The civil war gave the Hamiltonians the authority to do everything
they wanted, and thats why we have had one war after another and one financial crisis after another for 150 years.

As for Mazzini, I pointed out the content of what was said to be attributed to Pike in a Mazzini letter may not be true, but the words attributed to him were in fact published in 1925 and 1928.

Just as the Protocols were attributed to Jews to promote anti-semitism, the words are prophetic and the anti-semitism this produced proved useful to those behind the conspiracy, and seems likely that it is the plan of those behind it, whom I call the elite for lack of a better word.

As for M&D, and I have a copy of the online book, I did not say there was anything terrible in it, my selected quotes were to show Pikes religous views in relation to the context of words attributed to him in the so called Mazzini letter, true or not. Dualism is a religous belief.

His emphasis in M&D on religion and the emphasis on religion in the plan attributed to him are noted. That plan certainly promotes the idea of religous war for religous purposes, even if Pikes views on religion in M&D do not.

As for the Pike and KKK. History can not always be proven, much is a theory based on what has been written by others and includes circumstantial evidence, 2nd hand accounts and connecting the dots. Like any theory, it is only disprovable.

Much of history is being sanitized today in any event, and books are disappearing.

Pike was the owner of the Memphis Daily Appeal, and was said to have wrote an editorial on April 16, 1868:

"With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes a blasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested, and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him. ...The disenfranchised people of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members."

It is said to be available at the Libray of Congress for viewing.

In 1905 a book called Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth and Disbandment, historian Walter Fleming's introduction explains that he has been given "information in regard to Ku Klux Klan, by many former members of the order, and by their friends and relatives." Dr. Fleming states that "General Albert Pike, who stood high in the Masonic order, was the chief judicial officer of the Klan."

This is not proof of course but is offered to show the association of Pike and KKK is not wild speculation.

And there were a number of other books which linked Pike and the KKK.

As for state banks, I have no problem with them, as long as the states do not secede.

As for Lincoln, you said he was the Fed bitch, I have refuted that he was. I never pretended to buy into his other myths, but his issuing the greenbacks and winning the war which those who backed the Fed did not want him to win suggests he was not the Feds bitch.

His support for the National Banking Act seems at odds with this, and I suggested he may have been coerced or duped into supporting it.
If he did recognize what it was about and supported it, or something like it, before the war, then I will agree, he was the Feds bitch and the greenbacks a ruse to make it look like he was not, or even to make the National Banking Act even more lucrative for the banksters.

Just like FDR pretending to be against fascism with that hoax that business tried to replace him using Butler to head an army and take over the White House to foist the fascist NRA and AAA on people.

Thanks for the links.

kikz said...

my apologies to the readership as this reply is quite lengthy.

pot
''kikz, The war needed fighting to keep the country intact. The Southern states would simply have been taken over by the European Money Powers. We had no income tax, so tarriffs were how government got their revenue and protected American Industry which could not compete with Europe otherwise.'

i understand that tariffs were, at the time, the sole source of gov. revenue. not knowing explicitly the economic conditions of the day, from history ...i surmise; by virtue of geography the southern states, though mostly agrarian (cotton/lumber) in its exports, held the superior position in generation of tariff monies, thru sheer number of ports . by that point in time, i'd assume that american industry was competing very well, holding its own against europe and other world powers. especially w/ GB, as the US had become a cheaper source for raw cotton to support GB's mills than India. they were beholden, and anybody knows sole source vendors hav the upper hand in a business agreement.

as trade in the south continued its rise, from the 1820's or 30's on, the federal gov raised the tariff burden on the south, which for decades was bitched about, but continued to be paid, by dilorenzo's accounting it had reached in excess of 46%, an 80% of total paid by the entire country. however, these monies were not being reinvested in industries in the south, which the south was overtly paying for. the monies were being reinvested in the north. one example was lincoln's transcontinental railroad. which by any look at a map, shows that its course leaves the southern states well out of path to any economic recompense for its investment. by the by, b4 lincoln had become pres, he had been legal council for northern railroad interests. convenient hmmm?
so who was lincoln really protecting? certainly not business interests of or in the south.

while 'slave labor' at the time was more of an economic concern for the south getting product to market; (the initial outlay per "head" was 3-5K for a field-hand, the north had no such initial outlay of investment, as workers were not purchased outright, nor housed, nor clothed, but singularly paid a pittance in wages) getting product 'through' the market was the prime economic concern. had the federal gov backed off the tariff rate, its doubtful that the south would have taken their legal right to secession frm the voluntary union, as they'd put up w/lower tariffs for over 40yrs.

if you read thru dilorenzo's archive, you'll find that a few northern states, NY for one i believe, threw hissy fits and threatened secession on numerous occasions when 'it' felt that it was suffering neglect for their interests...never had the balls to follow thru though.

'I agree with Hamilton on the need for protectionism and I do not agree with secession. The civil war gave the Hamiltonians the authority to do everything
they wanted, and thats why we have had one war after another and one financial crisis after another for 150 years.'

the hamiltonian centrists/lincoln already claimed that authority and upheld their claim to it by; invasion of the south to collect that tariff money, suspension of the constitution & habeas corpus, shuttering the free press in the north, mandatory conscription of immigrants (see dilorenzo's "Gangs of NY") imprisonment of dissenters(north), and open outright fuking warfare on southern civilians......a little evil to do good, eh? ends justify the means? surrrrrre.

even if no effort to stop them bulldozing of states rights had been made, the outcome would have been much less bloody, but the same. at least some tried to stop them. as far as the mindset of j.q. southerner, they were fighting an invading force in their homes for their very lives.... politics, economics or slavery had jack to do w/it.

As for Mazzini, I pointed out the content of what was said to be attributed to Pike in a Mazzini letter may not be true, but the words attributed to him were in fact published in 1925 and 1928.

Just as the Protocols were attributed to Jews to promote anti-semitism, the words are prophetic and the anti-semitism this produced proved useful to those behind the conspiracy, and seems likely that it is the plan of those behind it, whom I call the elite for lack of a better word.

As for M&D, and I have a copy of the online book, I did not say there was anything terrible in it, my selected quotes were to show Pikes religous views in relation to the context of words attributed to him in the so called Mazzini letter, true or not. Dualism is a religous belief.

dualism/polarity is a component of nature. religion, was and is a major component of civilization, and if evolution of a civilization is to happen, naturally philosophic contemplation of its components should occur. while i admire pike for his extraordinary autodidactic knowledge base, i do not agree w/his overt 'seeming' admiration for the institutions of judaism and/or christianity. which is why i consider the scot rite, and pikes' role in it as its onetime chronicler in the first pages of M&D (my volume was printed in 1962) to be of paramount importance to my personal philosophies and proclivities. to paraphrase, "take only what you find to be true, leave the rest"... NO DOGMA. here's what i know... here's what i think... you choose.

JC was one cool, enlightened dude who obviously surpassed the barbaric limitations and mindset of his origins, but i'm a deist, in the spirit of jefferson & paine.

Pike was a product of his time, and while he paid homage to the likes of Hypatia; his own time, experience and affiliation w/scot rite didn't include women (or their rights to education, and vox as participating members of society ) on any enlightened note.

M&D is a seminal, comparative work for its day... world religions, philosophies, governments, sciences, and arts, exco/esoteric - drawing from all of recorded time to Pike's present (1870's).


and on the issue of the klan. i'm sure there were operatives of klan that were active w/in scot rite, north & south. Pike had reached the pinnacle of networking w/in the southern jurisdiction of the scot rite.

why externally duplicate a network that is already in existence, or compromise the security of that network w/external affiliation w/known murderers? sounds tactically and strategically stupid to me.
his first obligation would be to the lodge. any external affiliation/linkage w/the likes of the klan would necessarily injure the lodge, and its world standing among other facets of world freemasonry.
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'As for Lincoln, you said he was the Fed bitch, I have refuted that he was. I never pretended to buy into his other myths, but his issuing the greenbacks and winning the war which those who backed the Fed did not want him to win suggests he was not the Feds bitch.'

sorry, i don't buy your refutation, Myer's research as well as Dilorenzo's refutes your refutation. the bankers didn't care who won...they'd funded both sides, they made money on the war either way.....that's their game plan......always has been and always will be, what ever accomplishes their agenda, war being a prime impetus........ is that thought alien to you? these cats claim no nationality, that's irrelevant to them.

early in his career, lincoln earned his money working for the robber barons/bankers (all agents of rothschild)...
his deciding to beat them w/ their own game, going rogue and cutting them out of the loop w/his own fiat greenbacks i'm sure was cause for some tense moments until the bankers got the Natl. Bank Act passed, then they knew they had him, again, in hand by '63. i seriously doubt, they'd let pass his insurrection, even as the situation was recovered.

'His support for the National Banking Act seems at odds with this, and I suggested he may have been coerced or duped into supporting it.'

he had no choice, By1863 Lincoln needed more money to win the war. Seeing to it that the president could not get the congressional authority to issue more greenbacks, the bankers proposed the National Bank Act. The Act passed and from this point on the entire US money supply would be created out of debt. Bankers would buy U.S. government bonds with money they created by issuing bank notes. This is essentially the same system we have today with the Federal Reserve. The U.S. Treasury issues Bonds, Notes, and Bills and the “Fed” buys them by simply printing money. These bonds, notes, and bills are now national debt and the taxpayers (you and I) get to pay the bankers unending interest on it. Remember that this debt was created by the bankers simply cranking the handle on their printing press, but the interest we pay them every year in taxes comes from our own hard work. “I have never yet had anyone who could, through logic and reason, justify the federal government borrowing the use of its own money.” - Wright Patman, Chair, House Committee on Banking and Currency.

W Wilson said...

Wanted to add-it might be helpful to consider Madoff in these terms.
-Madoff ran a money acquisition operation for Mossad.
-Other sources of income have been acquired.
-Madoff was sacrificed.
If one reads "By Way of Deception", author Victor Ostrovsky makes it clear that Jews in the Diaspora are not viewed, by the Israeli government with near as much regard or concern as those within Israel, their feelings are "if tings go bad for Jews outside Israel, it'll make things jus fine for us because they'lle just move
here"
If what I've posted is true, my concern is what are these other sources? The bank "bailout"? The trillions lost at the
Pentagon? Or some other yet-to-be-determined scheme?

pot said...

kikz-thanks for the long reply, and sorry for the delay. I think we are not too far apart.

It might be helpful to go back 30 years for additional perspective. South Carolina almost precipitated a civil war in 1832 when they nullified the tarriffs as an assertion of states rights, even though they had no constitutional right to do so.

Jackson believed tarriffs were mainly a pretext that got the support of the people, by forces who wanted to promote disunion and a confederacy, which would have led to war with the North in the future.

This conflict came in 1832-1833 after Jackson had vetoed the renewal of the 2nd banks charter, and conflict was averted by Jacksons patience, allowing the other southern states passions to ebb, and the compromise that agreed to lower tarriffs for the south over the next decade allowed SC to back down with some face. Congressional approval for Jackson to use force and collect tarriffs at sea or diverting traffic to other ports played a role as well.

Jackson making the Presidency as powerful as he did with his veto's and other actions led to even more distrust in the federal government, and the Presidents views became more of an issue, so Lincoln was perceived to be more of a threat than he otherwise might have been if not for Jackson, and the experience of the failure in 1833 by those forces who wanted secession proved beneficial.

Lincoln was protecting the North, seeing as he was at war with the South for most of his Presidency, but he inherited the problems and his position on slavery, even if not an abolitionist, but openly supporting a future congressional ban on slavery in the territories, added slavery to the tarriff issues, which served as the pretext for getting the people behind secession. These these issues however were simmering long before Lincoln.

That said, perhaps if Lincoln handled the crisis as did Jackson, a compromise could have been reached and war averted, but it seems war would have been inevitable even if Lincoln did not go to war.

The Rothschilds strategy is fund 2 sides, and trigger a war, collecting profits from both sides. This one killed 600,000 which is the equivelant of 5 million today, but if not fought then, we likely would have had perpetual war or repeated wars that killed many more. That said, I am not sure Lincoln did all he could to have averted a war and preserved the union by some other means.

Lincolns actions on the income tax, suspending habeus corpus and the constitution, etc were made possible only by the war. Those who seek to exert control of government prefer a hamiltonian/jacksonian type of government with a strong central government and executive branch. Thats exactly what the conflicts of 1833 and the Civil War gave us, perhaps by design. In the end, they got most of what they wanted.

As for who the international bankers wanted to win, I think they preferred nobody win, since then they could have a war every 20 years in the US. Once the North won, then they descended on the South like vultures. Perhaps they saw Lincoln as an obstacle to being able to do that, and it was this and not the greenbacks that were the cause for him being shot.

As for the National Banking Act, lack of funding, or no more greenbacks, was a form of coercion. In 1862, Lincoln gave a speech to Congress proposing the government deposit bonds at the Treasury and issue it's own money and earn interest, and what resulted was an absolute corruption of what he had proposed.

Patman was the last voice of reason on this issue. Ron Pauls call for a gold standard is why he is not shut up and is allowed to speak against the Fed.

We had no choice but to go through the Rothschilds for the railroads, we had to import the steel for the tracks in the early years. We were a nation rich in resources, land and labour, but they controlled the financing through their agents in Wall Street, and they ended up assuming defacto control of the railroads with the depressions of 1873 and 1893.

As for Pike, his associating with the KKK seems not wise, and is perhaps the best reason for the argument that he was not. Perhaps anti-Masonry sentiment was an objective behind naming Pike, perhaps to weaken it or strengthen it even.

The Klan served the purpose of those behind the secession after the war to keep the country polarized, and those across the Atlantic acting through agents in the US were behind it. Pike may be innocent, but only those at the highest levels know for sure, and they don't talk about some things. Secrets of course fuel conspiracy theories. The banksters seem to have a hand in every institution, public, private and secret, which does not make them evil, and 99% of those within are unaware of what goes on at the top, so who knows.

But as Les says, I am probably saying a lot here without saying much.

SSC said...

when in rome....

why not create our own societies,
recreate our own doctrines
recreate new currency, change all the laws/rules,
Set up an Elected gov't, anti-globalisation policies, no-interest bank loans ,diamonds are worth nothing, gold is worth nothing,
lets state the plan it could start like:

We the sovereign people of the world...

Television will be used to promote advances in medecine, learning, diffusing information in real-time throughout the world.
Computers will store all knowledge in every area that we are presently involved in...you want to become a doctor fine go to this site www.doctors.com
money is replaced with credits on a plastic biometric card
food will be produced without agrotoxins at a local level .the northern regions where agriculture can't be practiced year round ,take the pools out and put in a greenhouse.
Electricity will be used to charge batteries.
where sun exists solar panels to charge batteries. where sun is not always available gas powered generators charge the batteries.
Transportation airpowered cars www.aircar.com

Second, set-up a time table and global agenda, how long will this take if everyone is onboard, the whole world behind one plan.

Awesome task...awesome resources...every country ,based on their resources and expertise has a series of tasks to accomplish we are talking project management 101...swiss cheese the huge task into smaller attainable goals, the only difference its on a global stage....this could be the NWO

choose! you want to keep on bitching, been there done that. Help me make the plan better, more realistic, take into account regional differences, ideologies, integrate emerging technologies...dreamer...maybe but we have all the tools to do it now....before they take it away.

kikz said...

pot said..
'South Carolina almost precipitated a civil war in 1832 when they nullified the tarriffs as an assertion of states rights, even though they had no constitutional right to do so.'

though the several southern states upon voluntary entry into the union of states had ceded state control of regulating import tariffs to the fed gov (stupid, in my opine) it was upon condition and expectation of reciprocity. reciprocity that their interests would be seen to fairly and impartially for their contributions. however even during jackson's day, this was not to be, '29 & '32 respectively broke the camel's back, hence SC's nullification, and threat of secession - which did bring some measure of relief as the rate on imports held at least until the end of Jackson's term in '37. we know what happened after that until '61, where the tariff reached beyond 45%.

all those years til '61 they and the other newly admitted southern states paid their fair share to the common good of the country which had pledged to look after them, and didn't. if you had been in their shoes... what would you have done as the tariff on imports steadily rose and your state got no compensation from the surplus, but saw your northern neighbors' infrastructure not only maintained but enhanced at your expense, and you were threatened by force of invasion to keep paying?

one would think, w/in that time period the south or its more enlightened sons would've seen the writing on the wall, and made better preparations for what they had to fathom some day would come...


for more info on the railroad's man lincoln:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo53.html


'As for Pike, his associating with the KKK seems not wise, and is perhaps the best reason for the argument that he was not. Perhaps anti-Masonry sentiment was an objective behind naming Pike, perhaps to weaken it or strengthen it even.'
'The Klan served the purpose of those behind the secession after the war to keep the country polarized...'


what i've read of Pike... he didn't have a problem w/the color of a person's skin (race).
from his writings i gather if he did express disdain for a person/institution it was either on the grounds of willful ignorance or tyranny inflicted on others.

as far as any entity keeping the country polarized; reconstruction by the union, carpetbaggers/scalawags did quite the ample job of that.

Kevin John said...

Roses are red, violets are blue
especially some kids around Gaza's blue too.

I don't want to see this, it's bumming me out
There's none on the news that says this out loud.

I just want to relax after working and leave-
and sit in my Lazy and play games on my Wi.

I can't talk to my pastor he'll think I am nuts
Then I won't be invited to lunch or to golf.

I'm just glad I do have a house and a job
and a flag out front that says my country- I love

Besides this is something that was miles away-
What good will this come out of gas that I pay?

I go to church at least two times a week
and nothing like this comes up so you see!

This can't be true, I've not heard it on Fox-
They've got really smart people that know how to talk!

But the one thing that gets me and I can't explain it away
Is why their giving our money away.

Cash for the rich and the banks and the brats-
I've spent less on mortgage than they do for their pants.

And what's this I hear? They need more money or might fall?
What's good for GM is good for us all?

I just don't get it so I'll stumble from here..
and go to the fridge and get me a beer.

At least lights are on and the wife is away..
I can get me some porn and be glad I got paid!


(ahhh)

What's that Les?