Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Genocide, from the World's Biggest Victim Industry.

When I was a child I read a great deal of history, biographies and the Greek and Roman myths. I found the myths especially fascinating. Even in my youth I knew they related to human existence as much as anything did.

I used to wonder about the extreme cruelties that people visited on each other. It didn’t make sense to me. War didn’t make sense to me. Even as a kid I never saw the attraction in it. I went into the military because I was born into a military family but I had no desire to go into combat and become Sgt Rock of Easy Company. I didn’t get sent into combat but I did get to go to prison and various maximum security holding centers that were easily as dangerous as any war. You didn’t get downtime or R&R either.

I’ve always been curious about history. The most curious thing to me was how the various versions of history contradicted each other depending on who was telling the tale. I see that, these days, it is of paramount importance to have control over the way history is presented because it allows for all kinds of behavior as justification for any particular version of history.

One thing I have learned is that, though technology continues to become more modern and efficient, human evolution does not keep pace with it. The same Neanderthals that used to wield clubs now wield sophisticated arms. Most of them don’t know why they are fighting. Someone told them the people upstream were pissing in the water, just as the people further upstream were told the same thing. Wars are just a matter of business. They have nothing to do with the reasons given. They are about stealing land and making money and that’s all there is to it. You can complicate the issue, especially when you are the one stealing the land and making the money but it’s all about theft of some kind.

Today we’ve got a people who have the argument that they were thrown out of over a hundred countries for simply minding their business and not causing any trouble and that these countries just picked on them for no reason at all. As absurd as this may sound, they’re sold this bill of goods to the world. Along with being a big part of causing a great many wars they finally found a war where they could claim that certain forces were out to exterminate them and they’ve used this as currency for bad behavior ever since. They’ve used this seriously questionable event to blackmail the nations of the world out of large sums of money and laid a lot of unjustified guilt at the doors of a great many people who never had anything to do with this questionable event.

In present time they are engaged in exterminating a population before the eyes of the world. They forced 700,000 of these people off of their land via the cachet that they garnered according to this highly questionable event. Since then, for sixty years they have been diligently exterminating these people and stealing more and more of their land. This is a fact.

Recently they launched a military strike against these people for political gain. The party in power was losing the support of their own people so they needed to do something that would regain them political support for the upcoming election. They succeeded in this event. They also succeeded in destroying what little was left of the other countries manufacturing capacity. They also destroyed their livestock and food supplies. When concerned people around the world wanted to donate to these people, who are homeless and without food, the BBC decided not to run a public service video because the appeal might be considered as anti-Israel. Yes... the BBC refused to run the appeal for this reason. This is because pro-Zionist Mark Thompson is a director at the BBC. Marcus Agius, a senior independent director at the BBC is married to a Rothschild.

Things are very, very bad in Gaza. Here is a listing of some of the Israeli war criminals with their pictures.

During this vicious act of genocide the Israelis used DIME... depleted uranium ...and white phosphorus on women and children and anyone else who happened to be nearby. Now they are blocking an appeal for the survivors of the devastation that they caused.

The argument has been given that the attack was to stop rockets being launched into GAZA. Few, if any rockets were launched into GAZA during the ceasefire which was broken by Israel. Its right there on CNN, go watch it. Israel committed these atrocities to influence an election and because they are psychopaths who enjoy causing human suffering. This is how they entertain themselves.

No one can refute anything I have put here. Meanwhile a certain portion of the world denies this has happened; denies what their own news reports tell them, denies the causes of the event and willfully obstructs the collection of aid for a ruined people.

In America there are a lot of people who actually believe Arab terrorists committed the 9/11 attack despite enormous evidence to the contrary and despite Bin Laden’s statement that he had nothing to do with it. In America, even as their economy crumples into ruin and a police state manifests in their airports and on their streets they do not believe what is real... only what they are told. Their new president ordered a bombing raid on Pakistani civilians the other day which killed 16 people and they still believe a change is gonna come.

Let me tell you something. Let me tell all of you something. You who stand by while such evil is committed; you who support it, you who deny it, you who blame the real victims for the crimes committed against them... all of you are a party to the crimes. You who permit these things in your names are yourself a party to the murders.

You may not believe in Karma any more than the Pope didn’t believe that the Earth rotated around the sun but it doesn’t change anything. The Earth still rotates around the sun and Karma is real. There is no arrogance greater than the arrogance of the uninformed. The presumption of knowledge by insignificant flyspecks is a wonder to behold. You truly do not know shit from shinola and you ARE going to reap the whirlwind.

I want you to think about what has happened in GAZA which was made possible by American dollars. I want you to think about this modern world that still permits things like these. I want you to think about the suppression of the GAZA appeal. I want you to think about the impact that Zionism is having on the world at this time and I want you to watch your Vice President give head to a psychopathic nation on TV. Now watch your president Obama and Nancy Pelosi suck AIPAC dick on TV. See if you can stomach it. As you watch these whores bend over for their masters, I want you to picture what happened in GAZA. I want you to picture this vicious attack on unarmed defenseless residents of a manufactured prison camp by Israel who broke a working cease fire in order to commit mass murder and worse.

I know what I see and I know what you don’t see. You are a party to this and your day will come. So, go ahead... mock and sneer and turn your indifferent backs. Don’t trouble your beautiful minds with these horrors. What goes around comes around and it is headed for you and not all your sudden conversions and disclaimers of not knowing are going to help you one bit. You are no better than the psychopaths who do these things.

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87 comments:

Anonymous said...

Amen, brother. But prepare to genuflect
on Holocaust Remembrance Day! Pity the
poor Palestinians under the iron boot of
Netanyahoo. Itz coming. Obama: 1)Rahmbo
Emanuel, 2) Hellary Clinton, 3)Holbrooke,
Ross, Geithner & a cast of hundreds more Chosen.
Three strikes and he's out!

Anonymous said...

I have been for the Palestinians since the 70's. Not because I knew any of them but I knew who their enemies were. I knew their history, and the trail of misery, deceit, and murder that they left behind.

I was unique in having a father who was a war crimes investigator after WWII and who despised the twisting of the truth. I have a letter that Dwight Eisenhower wrote to my father thanking him for his service. He must have done something right.

I also spent many years in a military environment but had to leave due to having a conscience. I would read summary reports in the morning and then go home and watch the news which was so much bullshit I quit watching.

I will say there seems to be a pattern here. They seem to take over economies in one country after another and then something goes wrong and they end up having to high-tail it out of town. Now what are they going to do when the whole world wants them to leave? Now I have heard that Mars has water...

Amicus

JustiN_N_il said...

A Political Solution?

Anonymous said...

Les and the group that read his blog are among the few who know what is happening.
I find it amazing that America is going into slavery while fully armed. Nary a shot is fired.
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Anonymous said...

Oh, my, omine. Terrible. Terrible.

But we..by we, mean the U.S...hasn't a leg to stand on. I remember such a thing as taking some parcel of land somewhere in the American Southwest, or some such place, right from under the small farmers, you know "greasers" (popularizeed ins such films as "Ramona" all the way to "Giant".). Then there was "Wounded Knee," (all those natives were put in Gaza-like prison camps - we, sure pacified them. Their descendants are still there - but we still steal their artwork and fashion- without paying copyright!) and thievery of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and several islands in the Caribbean. And after we, the U.S., kicked the Spanish out of the Philippines, and the Filipinos wanted us out, our great military was sent in and squashed the independent movement there.

That was Manifest Destiny - this land is my land, from California to the New York Island..."

Maybe, the Jews want "From the Nile River to Tigris Euphrates...?

After all, America did it!

A Latina from NYC


BTW, I just heard that Israel is really the 51st State in the Union, because in 1948,the U.S. Congress, the U.N. and Israel signed documents on the quiet. The Americans are not supposed to know, but all these facts, are now leaking to the public. It makes sense, as to WHY the U.S> is joined at the hip to Israel.

greg said...

Maybe Armageddon will be when the world tires of Israel's insane treatment of other human beings and descends on Israel from all directions. Then Israel, in a last spit at the world, launches all its nukes in all directions. Millions die or are sick from fallout, but the world rebuilds, minus the cancer that has plagued it for centuries.
It might be worth it

Yutani said...

Somewhat off topic;but

Every where I go, I tell the people I meet about the 9/11 Conspiracy... No one, especially my family takes me seriously.

I'm patiently waiting for some insider to write a 'tell all' book and bring the truth to the masses. However in the meantime, I feel like a fool.
What in your opinion is the best way to spread the truth?
Is there a quick way to deaden any counter argument to my contention that 9/11 was an inside job? I know you write about this subject a lot..I'm just looking for the most succinct argument.Yes, I am capable of making my own argument,but as I say it is not very effective.

Keep Up The Good Work Les

Visible said...

Yutani;

It is impossible to convince anyone of the truth who is in denial of the truth. For my part I state what I believe and I leave it at that. There is a mysterious power in the truth. It is like a depth charge. When you speak it it drop into the water of the human mind and descends to a certain level where it explodes.

Do not expect people to believe you at the time you tell them anything. It is enough to speak the truth. if you speak the truth with conviction it will enter the mind and do its work the same way a seed does below the surface of the Earth. it is a magical act. Proclaim it and then leave it alone. If you keep digging into the Earth to see how the seed is doing you will kill it.

It is said that "faith is the SUBSTANCE of things unseen." operate from that premise. It is in expecting immediate results that you disappoint yourself. Just speak with assurance and believing what you say and it will find its way to arranging the thoughts and awakening the realization in the mind to which it is spoken.

More than this I cannot offer.

Yutani said...

Very Profound indeed.

Anonymous said...

Les,

I feel karma works in realtime, no waiting needed. As one looks to their wrongs, will their pain and fear fold before them. You are a clear minded gifted writer, but to show hate and to "rasie ones voice" infornt of others is not wise. Truth can be hard to share with those who fear their own minds, but yelling at them will only help them run farther away.
Sometimes we need to find a topic or idea that isnt based on fear to start with. In this case, killing little girls is all to hard to start with.
I to was in the army and have seen the horror of DU and Brown & Root. I at first, cried out to my fellow bothers in arms, only to find I was putting undo stress on them. We all knew the crimes we where helping along, but could not share that fact with others without putting a darkness over all that was your time there. It was too bad, for we had many good things before as well, botherhood, friendship, and a love for the next guy, a chance to see a new world to us. But to quickly did I let that light of thought go, only to worry about the DU or next IED.
To inform others of the crime we support is your calling and should you not stop. I have read your work with a smile. Thankyou
If you can help yourself and if other can see this magic, then maybe we can all grow. But to help others hate you and fear your thoughts is not a crime you lay on them, but on yourself. Somedays we have to do this, but should we try and not scream but remember we all have all the time in this life and others to come clean.
Look to the faces of the gods and you will find yourself, a lover, a killer, a father, a mother, a healer, and what ever else you want. Find a face that others will look at, then can you share the hate and fear they are running from.
Im sure that this is nothing new to you, but think about you time in arms. How much easier it is to walk into combat with others than yourself. But why is that? Because your bothers will help share fears and pain, and in their face can you see yours.
Matt durkeematthew@hotmail.com

Visible said...

I am afraid I have to respectfully disagree with that. This is not the time nor the subject for soft touchy feely voices. This is not the time nor the subject for pleading with psychopaths to please stop. It has the flavor of trying to reason with Ted Bundy.

I can just imagine someone saying, "Oh, I see what he's saying but he used strong language and I just couldn't take it."

My posts depend on my mood. You'll find I'm soft sometimes, sometimes reflective, sometimes roiled and sometimes impersonal. I'm not some Methodist minister doing Rodney King from the pulpit. I call them as I see them at the time I see them. I never know what my tone will be until I read it after wards. I don't even know what I said most of the time.

I appreciate what you are trying to say and I imagine you believe this is the better way to go but my intuition tells me other wise and I have to go with that.

Anonymous said...

A seed, a truth, and some faith. Very good! Can it be that truths are really the "unseen" faith, your talking about?
As long as we can plant a seed we have faith in the world around us, but when we hope to share the fruits of that seed are we not digging it up too?
Can the act of planting not be the real act we wish for and the outcome only a side effect?

"if you speak the truth with conviction it will enter the mind"

Yes, but I say it than really enters your own mind not others. We all have to draw for strings in this life, and too quickly are we happy about thought or idea that come to us. Why shouldnt we be, first happy, then begain thinking?
Matt durkeematthew@hotmail.com

paolocaruso said...

Les' advise to Yutani is most valuable. Tell others with conviction and plant the see. It will stick and the proof will eventually appear to nourish that seed until the disbelievers are convinced... I've seen it happen many times.

As for what we can do, short of a revolution. Our duty is to speak out in public...Take the roll of the patriot and speak with conviction and in a matter of fact way. I do it all the time. I had a conversation with two beautiful Persian women in an Italian coffee shop about the zionist control of the media and the US congress. The man sitting next to us clearly looked Jewish, and this was proved by his shock towards our open, uninhibited conversation. He eventually stamped of the Caffe hissing. But others around us did not. We had become mainstream source of information for a few precious minutes.

I have had similar conversations on subways, waiting rooms etc. Just look for your chance to make a comment and you will find there are many other who have pent up frustrations who are waiting to discuss these issues. And make sure to SPEAK LOUDLY, matter of factly and without fear.

paolocaruso said...

I had to post again because of some things I am hearing in the news.

1. THe polish government announced that they cannot fund the Aushwicz concentration camp, as well as others. These historic sites will have to find other funding if they are to continue. They require hundreds of millions of dollars to maintaint the facilities.

2. The United Jewish appeal is asking for donations in main stream American newspapers with ridiculous popup ads showing southern Israeli suburban settler women anguishing over something disturbing. THey are frightened by Qassam rockets which they have better chance of winning the lottery.

3. Catepiller is laying off 20,000 workers (who should have their houses demolished as well).

4. The liberal media is suddenly giving a lot of time to Gaza and war crime efforts (however this is merely hedging by Jewish journalists to show their typical POST SLAUGHTER repentance).

Some things are changing..

Carl said...

"Zionism is the best advertised of all present Jewish activities and has exerted a greater influence upon world events than the average man realizes. In its more romantic aspects it makes an appeal to Christians as well as to Jews, because there are certain prophecies which are held to concern the return of the Jews to Jerusalem. When this return takes place, certain great events are scheduled to ensue....

Zionism is challenging the attention of the world today because it is creating a situation out of which many believe the next war will come...

To adopt a phraseology familiar to students of prophecy, it is believed by many students of world affairs that Armageddon will be the direct result of what is now beginning to be manifested in Palestine.

With Zionism as a dream of pious Jews this investigation has nothing to do. With Zionism as a political fact, every government is now compelled to have something to do. It is a bigger question than any other world question, it lies back of all world problems, large or small, national or international, and is rapidly proceeding under cover of many other interests...

Just at the present time, when the light which was shed by the fires of war has revealed so many matters formerly hidden in shadow, the awakening of world attention is called "anti-Semitism," and the explanation is given that "after every war the Jew becomes the scapegoat" – a curious admission which would lead a less self-centered people to inquire, Why?"

-Henry Ford, 1921

Visible said...

As some of you know, I post as apollonius at a forum known as The Best of the Fray. I post there because these people are apologists for what is being done in GAZA and fully support Zionism.

They're really getting distressed with me now

here

and it's happening in a number of threads. They have resorted to the usual efforts of changing what i said and flat out lying at other times. I hope some of you will take the opportunity to lend some weight to the opposition. It is amazing how callous and cynical they can be. Some have told me not even to post there but I feel like I provide a service even if it only pisses them off (grin).

Anonymous said...

I hope Im not wasting anyones time with these over reaching ideas. I have come to the same ideas about Zionism many years ago and now look to the people who act out their crimes. I feel they and the people they mind control know all too well what they are doing and have split their mind in two. This bi-polar world they created grows into death and killing little kids. But please understand they too have a mind that is free of this fear. How can we help them to it?
Matt durkeematthew@hotmail.com

Anonymous said...

EXODUS 2 All people from Gaza can go into Palestine again The IsraelJews has no choice They get their very own place to live in,Gaza alltogether,and there you are free aswel, make a nace place of it,and serve yourself We Close the Walls Your Walls!!! ***Paul van den Akker The Netherlands OOHHHHHH I, will dò It Lets GO>!!! Give Gods Choosen Their Paradise.GAZA.(NOT GAZ!}

Ronnie Lambert said...

Hi Les, I'm sitting in my warm bedroom disemboweling myself with an Arab ceremonial knife that a young Tunisian followed me for half a mile until I bought it. I hadn't even the desire to barter at that point. He asked for £8 and I gave him £10, which shocked him into silence as he looked at his month's wages, probably. I love Arabic people for their openness, charm and honesty. I discovered this close-up whilst working in the deserts of Sudan, oil prospecting for Chevron in 1985, with my native labourers who came from a mud hut village called El Muglad 90 miles away. They taught me 'get by' Arabic and I taught them 'get by' English, with much humour and laughing. I was hooked for life with Sudanese muslims after my first trip, cemented by 2 vacations to Tunisia where I met Iranians and realised that they're all great people. I'm not really topping myself....tried that once and failed, but just reading the truthseeker site each day and knowing the truth about the suffering in Gaza is like a knife in my guts. I'm penniless and helpless to aid those sad souls, but I write a very harsh letter to Israeli embassies, the bastard BBC and anywhere else that has an e-mail address. I recently discovered a wonderful Jewish/American female reporter called Anna Baltzer who really puts herself on the line with family and peers. She was able to get into Gaza just after hostilities ( sorry, butchering babies ) 'officially' ended for Obama's parade. I joined her e-mail list and she sent me her progress report which helps to brutally visualize the scene on the ground right now. I hope you won't mind me pasting this here....if it's too long, perhaps the highlighted part of the Gazan mother's account. However, it's all valuable information for the slugs you described in your piece above. Sincerely, Ronnie Lambert U.K.


Dear Ronnie
I am sitting in an internet cafe in Beirut trying to concentrate, but
I just can't. There are hundreds of heartbreaking emails to read
through, each one worse than the last. The carnage did not stop with
the so-called "ceasefire" (I use quotations because the slow massacre
of starving an entire population of basic human necessities --
sufficient food, water, medical supplies, heat -- continues). Everyday
on television we watch new bodies being dug out of the rubble. And now
that a few international reporters and humanitarian workers have been
allowed into Gaza, we hear more of the
stories that had previously been left untold.

I received the following letter written by my friend Barbara Lubin, a
Jewish American woman who founded the Middle East Children's Alliance,
a great organization to contribute to if you can
(www.mecaforpeace. org). Her account turned my stomach:

------------ --------- --------- -

January 23, 2009
Dear Aamir,
I entered the Gaza Strip on Wednesday night with my friend and fellow
activist Sharon Wallace after waiting ten hours at the Egypt/Gaza
border. The destruction and trauma is even greater than I expected.
...
Out of all the devastation I have seen so far, there is one story in
particular that I think the world needs to hear. I met a mother who
was at home with her ten children when Israeli soldiers entered the
house. The soldiers told her she had to choose five of her children to
"give as a gift to Israel." As she screamed in horror they repeated
the demand and told her she could choose or they would choose for her.
Then these soldiers murdered five of her children in front of her. The
concept of "Jewish morality" is truly dead. We can be fascists,
terrorists, and Nazis just like everybody else.
...
In Zaytoun, I saw families gathering wood from charred trees. The
almost two-year blockade of Gaza has deprived people cooking gas, so
these terrified families build fires to keep warm and cook the little
food they can get. I talked to people on the street who told stories
of wild dogs coming to eat their dead neighbors, relatives bleeding to
death because Israel would not allow emergency workers into the area,
and Israeli soldiers entering homes to beat and kill.

But despite the immense mourning and devastation, people are starting
to put their lives back together. Sabreen, a young woman from Rafah,
told me, "We are a strong people. No matter how many times Israel
bombs us we are not leaving. We will keep trying to live as normal a
life as possible."

Sincerely,

Barbara Lubin
Gaza City, Gaza, Palestine

------------ --------- --------- -

I was invited for dinner tonight by the president of a theological
school here in Beirut, who offered me a place to stay. She didn't seem
to want to talk about politics, but when I showed her my book she
looked at me and said "As a person of the scriptures, I was convinced
that the Jewish state must have some ethical grounding, for all its
faults... Until 2006. Until that summer when Israel bombed everything
in sight, and dropped 1,200,000 cluster bombs (authorized by
Condoleezza Rice) after -- AFTER! -- the ceasefire agreement. Just
yesterday a young man's leg was blown off by one of them, one of
millions that remain. And after watching the massacres in Gaza, I have
no more faith in the morality I so closely tied with Judaism."

I came to Syria and Lebanon worried that anyone I told I was Jewish
would be resentful, or even violent. But each person I tell seems
almost relieved to meet a Jewish person opposed to what Israel is
doing, wanting to revive their hope that Jews, Muslims, and Christians
can coexist. The problem is not that people here hate Jews; the
problem is the army of fighter jets bearing Jewish stars, claiming it
represents Judaism, repeatedly devastating children, families, an
entire nation, decade after decade, while most Jews (and others) in
the world let it happen without a peep. The problem is that I myself
am starting to wonder what it even means to be Jewish if the morality
and memory ("Never again") that tied me to it is now gone.

Something has happened since my last trip less than two years ago. In
the West Bank last month, formerly active friends told me to go home,
get a new job, start a family, forget about Palestine because there's
no hope. People seemed so tired, at the end of their rope, and this
was before the Gaza bombing started. People in Gaza were at the end of
their rope 18 months before, when their most basic needs were cut off
and they were encaged, left to waste away and fight amongst
themselves. How much can a person take?

I do not have the resilience to even bear one more month here. I am so
drained, so pained, and of course I have the luxury of being able to
buy a ticket and leave whenever I want. It's fitting that Beirut will
be one of my last stops. Here a city, devastated by war after war,
continues to rebuild itself, like the rest of Lebanon and like Gaza.
Beirut nightlife buzzes around me as I write, and I have to believe
that if the millions of Lebanese and Palestinian people repeatedly
traumatized in this war-torn land have pulled themselves together to
rebuild and look to a better future, then I'll manage to as well.

In solidarity with those who have lost their homes and families,

Anna Baltzer
Beirut, Lebanon

P.S. I sent this e-mail to the program controller at the bastard BBC........." Despicable Caroline " Dear Caroline, knowing what I know about the truth of government, the real truth I mean, not the diluted stuff disseminated through ALL of the mainstream media, I'm not the slightest bit surprised at your hypocricy over the Gazan tragedy. If you're a mother, or even a human being with fellow-feeling for any outside of your social circle, you'd be moving heaven and earth for those poor suffering souls in the Gazan holocaust. I'm a disabled 59 yr.old bricklayer who has nothing much to do but read ' real news ' on the only trustworthy source these days, the internet. Can't you remember when your ' ain kin ', Scottish BBC reporter, Alan Johnston was kidnapped by criminals in the middle-east, and Hamas sought out his release? That was when Muslims worldwide trusted and believed the BBC was a fair and neutral news agency, but then so did I. How can you give a whole evening's airtime to Children in need, for presents and teddy bears when bits of Palestinian babies are being dragged dead out of the rubble of Gaza, and their broken and battered siblings are in need of urgent medical aid? It beggars belief woman! One champagne dinner for your Lordship buddies across this nation would pay for most of the ' emergency medicines ' needed at this very moment. History will bite you all on your big flabby aristocratic arses one day over your complicity in this Zionist butchery. Despicable Caroline, all of you.

Ronnie Lambert said...

pps...Anna Baltzer has a series of programs on youtube called " Witness in Palestine ", and please forgive my Viking red blood for adding this, but she's absolutely flipping drop-dead gorgeous. Sorry libbers.

Anonymous said...

The name of this beast, Death and Destruction,(Gaza,=Israel)Lets Stop It. We have to,...... in name of humanity in name of Live and Love, in name of Compassion, In name of Jesus the Christ the Teacher of Love He will not give Peace, but, The Sworth.( Of knowing).Re3member Israel is only scared for:THE THRUTH. Paul van den Akker The Netherlands,

Dadnerd said...

Les said to...
Yutani;

"It is impossible to convince anyone of the truth who is in denial of the truth. For my part I state what I believe and I leave it at that. There is a mysterious power in the truth."


I hope everyone reads your statement to Yutani, it is so dead on. I wont call it advice as I'm pretty sure you don't give any.

I can verify this as absolute truth too. Seen it many times. When I was young and trying to eliminate all the crap instilled in me by well meaning adults, I was told something that I didn't particularly like. I sluffed it off and dodged it for about six months. And then the truth of the statement hit me like a bullet in the forehead.

Whoever said the truth will set you free knew what they were talking about.

It's entirely up to the receiver of information to see it, or not. History has shown that many truth tellers are persecuted, hanged, burnt, drawn an quartered for speaking out.

Once again Les, of all the rather profound things I've read from you, this one really stands out, and thanks for reminding me that you are absolutely right.

Anonymous said...

No revence, but Justice! GAZA, For The JEWS.Jews Only! Only GAZA,Palestine for the palestinians.Their Birth-Right.Paul van den Akker.N.L.

Anonymous said...

Their Birth Right!

You have the right to all this earth. Palestine is for me and is Gaza. Will you come and join me in these places? I hope to see you there.

Matt durkeematthew@hotmail.com

Neanderthal said...

paolocaruso,

I'm with you feeling sorry for the Polish government having to spend millions maintaining the Auschwitz museum. It's existence, now days, serves mainly Israeli propaganda machine indoctrinating Israeli students that they are universally despised, through-out the world.

I'm also relieved to find that my own taxes are being spent on non-US citizens in a yet another foreign country. WTF?

see below:


SUPPORT FOR THE MUSEUM OF THE HISTORY OF POLISH JEWS ACT OF 2007 -- (House of Representatives - November 13, 2007)
[Page: H13539]
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H.R. 3320

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Support for the Museum of the History of Polish Jews Act of 2007''.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) Current and future generations benefit greatly by visible reminders and documentation of the historical and cultural roots of their society.

(2) It is in the national interest of the United States to encourage the preservation and protection of artifacts associated with the heritage of United States citizens who trace their forbearers to other countries and to encourage the collection and dissemination of knowledge about that heritage.

(3) According to the 2000 United States Census, nearly 9,000,000 Americans are of Polish ancestry.

(4) At the beginning of World War II, Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe.

(5) In 1996, Yeshayahu Weinberg, a founding director of Tel Aviv's Diaspora Museum and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, created an international team of experts with the goal of establishing a Museum of the History of Polish Jews.

(6) The Museum of the History of Polish Jews will preserve and present the history of the Jewish people in Poland and the wealth of their culture spanning a period of 1,000 years.

(7) In 1997, the City of Warsaw donated a parcel of land, opposite the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Memorial, for the explicit use for the Museum of the History of Polish Jews.

(8) In 2005, the Government of Poland and the City of Warsaw agreed to provide 40,000,000 Polish zlotys for the construction of the Museum of the History of Polish Jews.

(9) In 2005, an international architectural competition selected a Finnish firm to design the building for the Museum of the History of Polish Jews.
(10) In 2006, the building for the Museum of the History of Polish Jews moved into the last phase of project design.

SEC. 3. ASSISTANCE FOR THE MUSEUM OF THE HISTORY OF POLISH JEWS.

(a) In General.--Assistance provided by the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs of the Department of State shall be made available to assist in the development of the permanent collection of the Museum of the History of Polish Jews.

(b) Authorization for Assistance.--To carry out the purposes of subsection (a), the Secretary of State is authorized to provide $5,000,000, which shall remain available until expended, to the Museum for the History of Polish Jews.

notamobster said...

very nice, vis. I will be popping into the fray. The war criminals may be protected by their government, now...but the time is coming.

Anonymous said...

Jewish supremacism is the subtext of everthing the Jews do. Now this deep seated racism
rises out of the hell they have created in the middle east into the brilliant daylight of universal awareness. Oh yes my children, there really are monsters, but soon there will be a reckoning and the monsters will have to hide in their holes again and disappear...or the whole world will witness the end of everything.

Anonymous said...

unfortunately,70% of americans r bunch of morons, sad but true and we know it. so we have to keep speaking out to ppl to raise their awareness but they will not wake up until things go really bad n affect them directly. im sure this 70% never got on this blog cos they r too busy watching american idol or harry potter.well, things r getting worse everyday.we have martial law coming any day now.dollar collapse..economic depression.. loss of rights,ownership, minds n even lives...i just wanna say that im glad that current president of russia putin who has been in the government for 10 yrs now expelled all those jews from the apparatus.. BUT once iran is attacked by whoever ww3 will start cos russia has an agreement with iran that it will protect iran in case of an attack.. china's on russia's side too cos they understand what intentions US has towards them.. one thing i dont understand is how a group of people called zionists have been ruling this world for at least 500 yrs, i try to have an open mind but also question everything so that i can find the truth, i wonder and am in shock how they managed to take over the world n stay on top for so long?? can somebody please explain?? thank u in advance.
alia_kaz@hotmail.com

notamobster said...

alia_kaz - They control the banks, the money, and in due turn, the policies! It's really as simple as that!

notamobster said...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

The US Govt is about to provide $180M per annum to operate military installations (closed or active) as FEMA Camps.

Gee, I wonder if they're doing this out of geniune concern for their citizens? (Katrina tells me they are not!)

Anonymous said...

You may not believe in Karma, but Karma sure believes in you.. I said that.

Perhaps if people knew, inherently, that there is within them, the Paramatma, they might behave a little better. At least the non-demons.

Anonymous said...

Yutani, ask these people where was the NORAD and AirForce on that day ?

Anonymous said...

Another fine post, Les. But what can we really do?
I came across this::

"The implication of the Arabs in the 9/11 attacks with the full support of the Zionist-controlled mass media gave the Israelis the perfect opportunity to sear the image of the 'Arab terrorist' onto the American psyche.
Former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked a day later what the attacks in New York and Washington would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said, "It's very good". Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel from Americans"… (New York Times, 9/12/01)
"From national networks to small-town newspapers, the view that America's terrible taste of terrorism will finally do away with even modest calls for the restraint of Israeli military attacks on Palestinian towns has become an instant, unshakable axiom… Now, support for Israel in America is officially absolute…" (Village Voice, 9/19/01)
Whether Israel and its allies here just allowed it to happen or were involved in the planning and execution, their motive was correctly identified by Neil Mackay in the Nov. 2, 2003 issue of the Scottish 'Sunday Herald': "to bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause ".

(from an article at www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9326)

I.e. NOTHING will change until the American and British public and the rest of the world wakes up to what really happened on 9/11/2001 and why the truth has to be called a 'conspiracy theory'...

Question: How to wake them up?

kikz said...

geez, aftr watching the 'shoa' over in 'the fray'..

man o les..

you are in a nest of em!

a few in particular, especially the one who will not refute anything you've said except w/accusations of you being satan personified..

that seems to be the standard shrieking reply to anyone when anything is questioned...doesn't even hafta concern the shoacost...

i guess i'd not ventured into someplace like that in ages.. and had quite forgotten just how manic and fascist some of these minds can be.

it is truly astonishing...

oh and by the by.. since you've not been heard frm of late today..

we who have bothered to visit and comment are being referred to as the sockpuppet brigage.

cute huh>:)?

'mon y'all ... pile on in..
it's really fun >:)

nice job, nota, dr f.


i believe 'one' of the threads on 'The Slate' is..
'best of the fray',
'i could just scream'.

Kevin John said...

Now don't mince words Les..{{{shudder}}
Are you friends with Stephen King?
Seriously, very good info, and may the Good Lord Bless you.

@jj. Thanx for your comment via last post.Good call....I never thought of that event- though it was in front of my face. Makes alot of sense. Shit..if that is true the only reaction if force.I guess my Quaker friends will not appreciate that...

robinhoodlum said...

Has Israel committed crimes against humanity?

You decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnegTqr-_x8

pot said...

Some attributed quotes on truth, lies and myth.

Albert Einstein: Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.

EL Doctorow: History is the present. That's why every generation writes it anew. But what most people think of as history is its end product, myth.

George Orwell: In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act

JFK: The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.

Voltaire: As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.

Lenin: A lie told often enough becomes the truth

Aldous Huxley: You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you mad.

Bertrand Russell: I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated.

Edward L. Bernays: If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it.

Joseph Goebbels: It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words and words can be molded until they clothe ideas in disguise.

Lets face it, most of the world lives in a matrix, the reality outside their own personal lives is manufactured. They are given a limited menu of which lies and myths to believe in, and watch their version of it on Fox or CNN.

Discussion is almost pointless since the gap between what may be the truth and the myth is so large in can not be bridged without causing laughter or inviting a punch in the nose, or worse.

The big puzzle is those who go along with it knowing it is all a lie. I can only imagine most have been duped into believing in the myth of the "noble lie", and that the end justifies the means.

It's only a matter of time before whats is going down in Gaza comes to the New World again. What is going on in Gaza is simply a repeat of our genocide of the American Indian.
Next up is likely the American middle class and it's poor, perhaps justified to reduce our carbon footprint and to save the world from Americas gluttony. Gaias green soldiers, coming to a neighbourhood near you, to fight the War on You.

Anonymous said...

alia_kaz, Hello,... When you now read into the Bible ,The very last book of revelations of John ,it s much more understandebel when you read about The Beast`` One head was wounded to death`` , but cured,(Jews-holocaust) read on...And chapter 6 You will understand the four horses and we look at the last one And SEE thats our place into days live now.Remember,.....The Snake ,the seed of the snake(GEN.) they say they are Jews, but they are Not ,but from the synagoge of Satan(Jesus the Christ) and now we All see the ugly head of the dragon The synagoge of Death ``Death and destruction`` We as love ,and live loving people has to Stop this ,Enough is enough We all have to be like a Siegfried.the dragonkiller to speak Out, The Thruth,Paul van den Akker N.L.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't let the day go by without some recognition:
1. Commemoration - Holocaust Memorial Day.
2. Commemorative events - Holocaust Memorial Day.
Tony

simon said...

Les,

I appreciate you writing this stuff very much. And at Slate as well.

Both the BBC and SKY are refusing to broadcast the appeal. But unlike the UK's other channels, which are broadcasting it, BBC/Sky are satellite channels with a large audience in Israel itself, I think this may be a major reason why the BBC is being forced to bow the knee so openly, obviously and humiliatingly - self-destroying what is left of its world-wide reputation and influence

Complain to the BBC here -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

the number of complaints are keenly watched and counted and will be used by those trying to change the BBC/Israeli decision not to broadcast the Gaza appeal. If the BBC is Forced to make the appeal it will be a very public slap to the world-wide zionists - or whatever you want t call THEM.


And talking about how to tell others what's actually going on, I think I've just lost three of my oldest friends by sending them this poem read by a little palestinian girl and giving them the addresses of WRH, ICH etc. It's called Palestinian Girl and it is beautiful and it made me cry. They won't speak to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edrxhuFysF4&feature=related


also,
I recently wrote here about "...won't convince people by shouting at at them..., ....not needing any more enemies..." and you responded (not just to me), quite angrily, that this was not the time for touchy-feely, new age tree-hugging ...". You are quite right. Endless sympathy, patience and "understanding" in the face of such aggression and horror, offered from a place of comfort and safety. should be enough to make a sane man who can see and hear and think tear his hair out in frustration. Mind you, I'm not sure that's exactly what I meant. I'd love to talk about it sometime. in a place of comfort and safety. I'm sure I, at least, would get a lot out of it.

All the very best, Les

Simon

rosie said...

Another French man to go on trial for 'anti-semitism' as Sarkozy uses his navy to blockade Gaza.
Free speech in the western 'democracies'? I am bent over laughing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html.
Les, keep socking it to them.
When children holding white flags are murdered in cold blood you know the day for touchy feelies is well gone.
I can finally understand why there are ten thousand queuing up to be suicide bombers.
I could almost join them.
Rosie

Anonymous said...

"As some of you know, I post as apollonius at a forum known as The Best of the Fray. I post there because these people are apologists for what is being done in GAZA and fully support Zionism."

Yes, but it's like trying to teach your pet chimpanzee advanced mathematics, they just don't "get it", and then they get all distressed if you continue try to teach them.

I discovered them infesting usenet, long ago, and we called them "Feral Cave Dwellers". (See Plato's Allegory of a Cave)

Erik the Viking

Visible said...

Wow folks, you really took it to them over at The Best of the Fray... thank you and congratulations. Some of that was very well done. I don't think they liked it one bit. Too much truth for them to handle all at once.

DodgyOne said...

Hey Les how come I get a Bad Request at the fray when clicking your nick ? Makes it hard to find the other threads to bring in the karma ;)

Perhaps a link to your profile will help to bypass that little obsticle. ?

Looking at the url http://fray.slate.com/discuss/members/apollonius....aspx it may be that the use of dots in your nick renders the address invalid.

Changing it to http://fray.slate.com/discuss/members/apollonius.aspx works but very few posts are mentioned.

Into the the valley of the shadows we go to fight for truth love and justice :0 shoot begining to sound like a superman comic.

Visible said...

yes Dodgy one, on we go. Well the nick is actually apollonius... but there's no need to go back over the old posts because the main posts all show up here or at the other blogs and no one backtracks there anyway. There's usually something on the front page and that is where everyone goes. Thanks for the artillery support (grin)

Anonymous said...

Again, I ask, what leg do we have to stand on, if we, the U.S. did the same thing in Fallujah (several times) and the rest of Iraq?

We did Israel's dirty work there!

Al

NanFan said...

I'll go you one better; the Bush/Cheney government perpetrated the genocide of a nation. Read my post on www.opednews.com from months ago.

Cut and paste this link in your browser: http://www.opednews.com/populum/manage.php?submit=view&storyid=51225

We, the US, have perpetrated the biggest genocide EVER, and it spills WAY over to the rest of the world, AND we STILL support Israel atrocities.

Nan

Look for

GodSend said...

Greg

It's Yahweh Who will tire of the "Rebellious House of Israel" and MELT those Zionist Simeballs who worship the Devil (Dragon) in the "Synagogue of Satan". (Ezekiel 22:20)

SEE! more (all you need to know) on my website.

Well said, Les!

Anonymous said...

Les,

Went over to Slate with some comments, and it was a good exercise in dealing with regular people of average intellect who for a variety of reasons (sloth, denial, cognitive dissonance, apathy, agendas, arrogance, religion, etc) just don't want to think, examine, discuss, or research aspects of the truth. They represent probably 90% of Americans, 80% of Canadians, and 70% of Europeans. This is how it is, and I never mind spending SOME time on these sheeple because I know the truth will hit them on some level and possibly germinate, but too much time is counterproductive. I would say, Les, you are bordering on being counterproductive over there now. Pick some other sites and drop some info there. "M2" and the other turds at Slate don't deserve that much attention.

Dr.F

Visible said...

Dr. F

You were splendid. I especially liked the quotes.

Fear not for me. I've been in and out of that place since 2000. I routinely put copies of my essays up there though I don't always reply to comments. Sometimes I will leave the site for a year or more. It takes very little of my time in reality. I just thought they needed some input and they got it. I have some things coming up in about a month; several new musical albums; several novels and a few other things that are going to occupy me into the warmer weather.

Thanks for your help. You and the others really put it out there.

kikz said...

if anyone is still interested..

deep in slate's fray:
i get so sick i could scream

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2366312.aspx?View=Flat

rosie said...

It seems to me that the 'slate' rabble were put to rout.
Most enjoyable.
Please keep us posted.
Rosie

notamobster said...

If you ever decide to do them one, but good... just put the word out that Mirrors is closed down for a week and you'll be posting in the Fray. We'll hit em with 8,000 hits a day more and 150 comments per essay. That could actually be a good fight-cluesque strategy for getting the truth out. Begin a full-scale , week-long assault on various organizations/sites based around your mirrors essays. Just post them at their site and add a link on the front page here, redirecting your readers. Sounds positively devious!!!

Ben There said...

Whoa - The Fray meets Smoking Mirrors....

(BenThere = WasLTT)

Visible said...

notamobster;

that's exactly what I have in mind for which this was all a water's testing to see how the common mind of us in toto (not Dorothy's dog) might feel about it.

I think merely as an exercise it could be really entertaining and it would also be a proactive act of truth telling where truth is unwelcome but can't be kept out.

Yes... I think a good guerrilla action would be just what the doctor ordered. We'll see about a day for it and then we can load 'em up and let 'em fly.

Anonymous said...

Yes, good guerrilla plan with other select sites. My earlier post was to say that Slate got its "truth hit" and it's time to move to another group in need of illumination, pardon the pun. Agreed.

Dr.F

Still alive said...

After 5000 years of jew terrorism and genocide against humanity haven`t we finally had enough? At the start of the 21st century the most challenging task for mankind is an age old one-the eradication of the eternal evil and virus of earth before is murders us all. Cancer is not your friend. Cancer will kill you. But 99% in the "western" (such a nice euphamism for terror and genocide) don`t care or don`t see because they can`t tell the difference bewteen their ass and a hole in the ground.

One day, one way or another the jew and all their rogue puppet terrorist states will get what they deserve. Like you said, Les, what goes around comes around. And not a day too soon and when it does that #1 international terrorist and most egregious jew pariah state known as America will will be in for some major shock therapy.

On that day humanity will rejoice and breath a deep sigh of relief.

kikz said...

thought i'd chk back in :)

sheeesh that krew is tedious, i thought i might need ta 'gird ma loinz'. naaaaaaa.

romper stomper, romper boo, of my takers... i see all da waaay thru..... >:)

Anonymous said...

heh heh they've been truly slated now....and they are afreyed...very afreyed. Good show by all.

burt kwouk

Anonymous said...

nota 8:59 PM, you mean like a preemptive strike mate
Yeah!
Tony

notamobster said...

kikz - just read the remainder of your retorts at the worst of the fray. If you're trying to get me to stop loving you ... you're failing miserably, Ma'am!

;-p

Dadnerd said...

That was good fun crashing that party. Reminds me of the endless fights we used to have at Pravda.ru forums. After months of discussing the events around 9/11 they created a new sub forum there called 9/11. The shills used the same old tactics, like tin foil hats, and conspiracy theory accusations.

I noticed at slate that the same tactics are used, no substance just name calling generally. Unfortunately that throws off serious people who are really interested in current events. And of course they know it.

rosie said...

Interesting article from Rense.
I like the quote
'you are not put in prison for denying the resurrection'
Sort of puts it in perspective.
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/01/speak-on-bishop-williamson.html
rosie

damnzio said...

Les where is that best of the fray address. I searched some at slate.com, and looked for your posts under apollonius as you said. did not find anything new. Give the address.
And I ask everybody to go there and post and support apollonius.

Glenn Dormer said...

In 1871, the story was being presented in France as serious history. In 1872, “The Jewish Cemetery in Prague”, translated into Russian, appeared in St. Petersburg as a separate pamphlet of purported non-fiction. François Bournand, in his Les Juifs et nos contemporains (1896), reproduced a speech from the chapter as that of a Chief Rabbi “John Readcliff” [sic].


[edit] Structure and themes
The 24 Protocols are posited as instructions to a new Elder, outlining how the group will control the world. The Elders want to trick all "gentile nations", whom they call "goyim", into doing their will. Their preferred methods include:

Protocol Theme
1 Alcoholism, Annihilation of the privileges of the non-Jewish aristocracy, among other topics.
2, 9, 12 The propagation of ideas, such as Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Utopianism, with the task of undermining established forms of order.
4 Materialism
5 World government
7 World wars
10 Staging catastrophes against one's own people, then claiming a moral high ground for leverage (False flag)
11 Universal suffrage
11, 12, 17 Curtailment of civil liberties with the excuse of defeating the enemies of peace
13 Creating the impression of the existence of freedom of press, freedom of speech, human rights and democracy, all of which are subsequently undermined and become mere illusions or deceptive smokescreens behind which actual oppression lies
14 Distractions
14, 17 Pornographic literature
16 The destruction of Christianity, Islam and other religions and cultures, followed by a transitional stage of atheism, followed finally by the hegemony of Judaism
20 Brainwashing
21 Economic depressions
22 Undermining financial systems by foreign loans, creating national bankruptcy, destroying money markets and replacing them with government credit institutions
23 Justification of previous acts of evil and expectation of a great new society
24 Reduction of the manufacture of articles of luxury, destruction of large manufacturers, prohibition of alcohol and hashish, unleashing forces of violence under the mask of principles of freedom, only to have the 'King of the Jews' demolish those very forces to make him appear a saviour
25 Training of the king, direct heirs, irreproachability of exterior morality of the King of the Jews

Control of the media and finance would replace the traditional sources of social order with one based on mass manipulation and state engineered propaganda, where powerful elites and institutions conspire to conceal unpalatable truths from the masses. In these respects, the Protocols draws on long-standing criticisms of modernity, radicalism and capitalism, but presents them as part of an orchestrated plot, rather than as a product of impersonal historical processes.

The text assumes that the reader already believes that the Freemasons are a secret society with a hidden political agenda, and the Protocols purports to demonstrate that this hidden agenda is itself controlled or guided by the 'Elders', a sort of conspiracy theory within a conspiracy theory. In the Protocols, Freemasons and "liberal thinkers" are shown to be mere tools that the Elders will eventually replace with a Jewish theocracy. The Protocols describes a forthcoming "kingdom" and goes into great lengths about how it will be run. Yet even in this kingdom the Elders will avoid direct political control, preferring to assert themselves via usury and manipulation of money. Even the "King of the Jews" himself will be nothing more than a figurehead.

greg said...

If you go to tickle the Dragon's tail,
Remember...
He breathes fire

Anonymous said...

Les, I hope this, our action today does not harm SM in any way.

I just dropped a last fire cracker as a main thread on Slate, giving it a pretty catchy title to stir the sh...oe cream some.

Thanks for providing an excellent platform.

R. Zuercher

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2374883.aspx

Visible said...

Since you asked, it is here

I'm okay with dragons, less so with those pretending to be dragons.

Greg Bacon said...

The Best of the Fray?

Hell, I got banned from that place after two articles that didn't use profanity or make threats, but did ask some questions about that racist and bigoted state of hate, Israel.

As for karma, not sure I believe in it or that it does work.

How did or will various indigenous people, like the Native Americans, who we put thru their own Gaza on the way to damn near wiping out that proud race, how will they obtain justice thru karma?

Or was the introduction of tobacco to the white man retribution for the crimes?

Israel will not stop the slaughter of Gazans until they have been exterminated or herded into Egypt's Sinai.
Look for Obama's ME envoy, Mitchell, to propose something of this sort.

No one will or can stop that nation of psychos, Israel.

Forget the US, as we are controlled by Israel.

Forget the U.N Hell, they can't even stop Israel from bombing and killing UN personnel.

Forget the Arab states. Those who aren't controlled by the US and therefore Israel, are too busy enjoying Peruvian flake cocaine and $20,000 dollar bottles of wine at Parisian night clubs, like those 5,000 or so Saudi Arabian "princes" and that requires a LOT of money from oil sales and they aren't about to upset that apple cart.

We'll get to watch in real time the systematic extinction of an entire race of people, sacrificed on the altar of Israel.

rosie said...

Well Greg
Be thankful you at least got a reaction.
Either I have the wrong link up or I am being totally ignored.
Much more humiliating than a good passionate banning order. At least you know you were achieving something.
As for Karma - it does not quite work that way. Its far more subtle. And again I guess you have to have a bit of faith.
I suppose I 'have' to believe in it to make any sense out of my and others lives. Without it you may as well give up - what would be the purpose of life and suffering.
We could all be just a computer programme run a a chap called Dave (as in a recent novel I read).
rosie

notamobster said...

You know I've been having this not-so-random thought, as of late. I recall many a bible-thumper bemoaning those of us who question Christianity (or more directly - organized intolerance ***ahem*** religion) as being destructive of the same. Should the truth be known, most of the folks I know who have a certain didain for religion, don't begrudge it to others - they merely wish to be allowed to live their life free from the psychological or emotional tyranny which religion seems to impose on others. In many ways, I think this same mindset (you're trying to destroy what I hold dear) has a foothold in the minds of those who refuse to see truth on any level. So rather than being capable of looking objectively at a subject they just react with name calling and inuendos, never offering direct rebuttal or factual information to support their case; but rather, relying on the emotions of those sitting observantly to make their case for them. Those who are intellectually dishonest will never meet you in a private setting to discuss issues as a human being, because that would require them, inevitably to surrender some ground which they think they may currently hold.

Just a thought.

Will Wilson said...

Hi Les, good article, thanks.
Wanted to say-information I've received indicates to me that part of the problem is that the rulers of America see Israel as part of the US. Effectively, it's a state of the Union.
What does the government of Israel and and the government of the USA get out of the deal? Plausible deniability of their crimes.
Look at who the Balfour document was addressed to-Lord Rothschild.
Look at who bought up land, for Jewish settlement in the 1800s in Palestine-Rothschild. Look at the Harrimans and the Rockellers and their ties to Rothschild. Look at AIPAC and how it DOESNT have to register as the agent of a foreign power. And look at the dual nationals (like Rahm Emmanuel) in the highest spots of power in the US. Certain Americans and certain Zionist Jews cut a deal, long ago, and in this deal, consent of the average American, as represented by Congress-was bypassed
To certain Americans in power-the USA and Israel are one nation. I think it's long overdue for a divorce.

Visible said...

By the moment it gets more amusing over at the fray. One of the disinfo specialists in chief is insisting; as are quite a few other posters there that I am all of you and pretending to be you. Isn't that what a sock puppet is here

Anyway... this is how they de-legitimize dissent. I've come up with an idea called 'virtual swarm'. It's when we hit a website in numbers and completely take over the hive. I think it might even be an idea with legs that could go all sorts of places and be used by all sorts of people.

The Israelis already do this with megaphone and are now creating an army of bloggers to combat the truth.

Anonymous said...

I can hear them over at the fray "there goes our lily white neighborhood"......
Game on!!

Jj

kikz said...

wish i could play summore.. i'm in a fray of my own.. kid that back surgery, now has gastro bug.. spent 6hrs today @emer..after gettin up @4:30 wed.. napp'd last nite btwn 10-12P.. i'm wacked.
tamarra, goin bak to scot rite for a chkup... sheeeesh...
i'm Job.. kookoo kajoob!

marxist-socialist said...

THE US ECONOMY IS SINKING LIKE THE TITANIC

THE ECONOMY THE TITANIC & THE LIFE RAFTS OF GOLD AND SILVER

http://financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schoon/2009/0128.html


What has happened to America, the destruction of what was recently the most powerful economy in the world could not have happened without the complicity of politicians of both parties who aided the bankers in their parasitic plundering of America’s wealth, productivity and future.

The Republicans were the primary tool—and natural home—of the bankers but the bankers could not have achieved their enormous power and influence over America’s domestic and foreign policy without the complicity of Democrats along the way.

It was Democrat Woodrow Wilson, who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 that gave private bankers control over US currency, control that was to indebt our nation, businesses and people into perpetual indebtedness.

It was Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt who outlawed the possession of gold in 1933 by US citizens thereby trapping Americans into the paper assets of bankers just as the bankers wished, putting beyond Americans’ reach the gold that would have otherwise protected them from the banker’s debasement of the US dollar.

And it was Democrat Bill Clinton who signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, thereby repealing the safeguards set up in 1933 to prevent another Great Depression and allowed investment banks, insurance companies and commercial banks to co-mingle America’s savings in what was to be soon the greatest destruction of wealth on a scale never before seen.

AND, NOW, ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

We now have a another Democrat in the White House who has the dubious honor of inheriting a nation in tatters, its reputation and economy virtually destroyed by its previous occupant who allowed the nation to sink to previously unimaginable lows in both fiscal irresponsibility and illegal acts.

I guess that’s to be expected when a fraternity boy moves into the same house his father once lived in and brought in friends such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld who sent the nation into a war based on lies and then had legal hacks such as Alberto Gonzales and John Woo justify torture if done in the name of freedom.

Illegal voting machines aided by the US Supreme Court and a Democratic Party that rolled over as easily as a drunken sorority girl at a frat party allowed Paulson and Wall Street bankers and Washington DC power brokers free reign at the White House from 2000 to 2008, more than enough time to apply the coup d'état to a once great nation.

What happened between 2000 and 2008 in the White House is so much more egregious than the few blow jobs that Clinton got from Monica Lewinsky (all that money spent and we still never got an exact accounting) and yet the crimes of Bush and Cheney et. al. will probably never be investigated nor will justice ever be served on those who so callously used their power to serve it to others.

The pursuit of Bill Clinton over a blow job and the non-pursuit of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for their callous disregard of the truth and the US Constitution is an indictment of America itself.

What America chooses to prosecute and what America chooses to deny is a direct indictment of America and the “values” it so loudly proclaims to others. In the future, America should be more careful as the world is not as swayed by the distorted reflection America sees in its own media.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

I don’t know President Barack Obama nor did I know any of America’s previous presidents but I do know that I don’t envy the man or the task he has in front of him. It is never easy to lie to a nation (although politicians do a far better job than most) but Americans have never seemed to really want the truth which is perhaps one reason it has rarely been disclosed to them.

The America of today grew up on bankers’ easy credit. The America of tomorrow will be buried by it. I don’t know if President Obama knows this but I do know the men he has appointed to counsel him in economic affairs know it and don’t care.

Paul Volker, the hero of another age, salvaged the bankers’ paper money game for another generation but he did so at the expense of what could have saved the nation. Volker later said he regretted not having earlier managed the price of gold and if his actions in saving the parasitic system of bankers are to be lauded, then so be it.

But perhaps the least of all the men Obama has surrounded himself to counsel him on the economy is Lawrence Summers, Obama’s Chief Economic Advisor. Summers is the former Chief Economist at the World Bank who at the time suggested that polluting industries should be moved to 3rd world countries where the human toll would be less costly, and was also later fired as President of Harvard University for his statement that women were intellectually inferior to men.

But Summers’ greatest transgression against true economic freedom guaranteed by gold and its protection against government power is his 1988 paper he co-authored with Robert Barsky, Gibson’s Paradox And The Gold Standard wherein Summers argued that manipulating the price of gold would have a favorable impact on interest rates and the price of paper assets.

Summer’s paper served as the basis for further US government manipulation of the gold market and does not speak well for future US policy in that regards. Newly appointed US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner also comes with as much baggage as Volker and Summers in respect to his relationships with the investment bankers who have raped and pillaged our nation.

Timothy Geithner was the man who last fall stood shoulder to shoulder next to Henry Paulson as Paulson looted America’ treasury for the benefit of his Wall Street friends and cronies and insured that he would never be called to task for what he would do.

Geithner is described in Wikipedia as having Lawrence Summers for his mentor but other sources call him a “Rubin protégé”, neither man a positive role model. It should be remembered that Robert Rubin, former Goldman Sachs partner and US Treasury Secretary, lobbied for the deregulation of financial instruments such as derivatives, an effort that later helped to destroy our financial system.


Rubin was also instrumental in the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the Act passed to prevent another depression and he played an important role in the $4 billion payout from the US Treasury to Goldman Sachs indemnifying Goldman Sachs bondholders from any losses on their Mexican bonds in 1995.

Geithner, as a Rubin “protégé”, obviously comes highly recommended and well connected to the same core of investment bankers who have done yeoman’s work in destroying America’s economy while at the same time lining their own deep pockets.

It is my belief that President Obama should fear both the enormity of the task in front of him and the counsel of those he has surrounded himself; and, while I wish him the best I cannot help but suspect the wisdom he will receive from men like Lawrence Summers, Paul Volker, and Timothy Geithner will do little to serve the national interest.

Three out of three, the odds aren’t good and we should not take false refuge in what the US government may or may not do—or even can do in these perilous times. The guard rail designed to protect us from another depression was removed in 1999 and we are now sliding rapidly out of control towards the precipice ahead.

THE GREAT DEPRESSION

Although my parent’s generation grew up in hardship during the Great Depression, the family as a whole did remarkably well considering the circumstances. Most graduated from college no small feat during those difficult times and all raised families and achieved more than a measure of personal success.

It would do us well to remember the achievements of those before us as we again move into more difficult times, times that will test our inner strength as well as our character. The life of ease afforded us by easy credit is a thing of the past. What will replace it we do not yet know. It will be, however, far different than what we have known.

THE PRICE OF GOLD AND SILVER

The price of gold and silver has now made significant moves towards its previous highs, gold pushing above $900 and silver above $12 but there remains much volatility between now and their ultimate ascent, an ascent guaranteed by the accelerating debasement of fiat paper currencies as governments attempt to shock their moribund economies into life with unlimited amounts of fiat money and credit.

Whether gold and silver’s recent moves are a portent of more shortly to come or if they will be met again with renewed resistance from central banks remains to be seen. Either way, rest assured that the battle between the paper boys of Wall Street, the power brokers of Washington DC and the free market is still in progress.

Wall Street may be but a badly damaged shadow of its recent past but its co-conspirators in manipulating the markets, the central bankers and their enablers in government are still committed to maintaining their fiefdoms no matter how high the cost—as long as those costs are born by the taxpayers.

Someday, in the future however, a future that is closer today than it was yesterday, gold and silver will triumph despite the best efforts of central bankers and government manipulators to prevent it

For central bankers and those in government are up against the market itself and no matter how much paper they have at their disposal, their supplies of gold are limited. Each ounce bought takes another ounce out of the arsenal governments use to suppress gold’s price, an arsenal comprised of our central banks.

Buy gold. After all, it was yours and still for only a short while, it is being subsidized by your government as it continues its fight against your interests and a free market unfettered by bankers’ credit.

Have faith and buy gold and silver until better days arrive.

Anonymous said...

Time to prioritize and organize the offensive.

Amicus

Dadnerd said...

The few posters over there who think they are clever and good at twisting the argument, I'm sorry. I've seen them years ago. Same MO. No heart. Their goal is so obvious it hurts. They don't actually believe what they are saying, it's just a game, and most are actually getting paid for it. And the fools who are not getting paid are even more pathetic.

Forget logical argument. We all know the Zionists agenda. We know their tactics. They think we are all idiots. And sadly most Americans have succumbed to their machinations. The deliberate destruction of the Government school system, worst in the world, is just one example. TV, what a wasteland of a technology. There is so much potential there but...wasted.

Is it all accidental? Lately I've had time to flick through the channels. Nothing there! Lets see, violence, violence, commercials, commercials, stupid news about stupid political nonsense, commercials, weather, travel, (good stuff there) commercials, violence, sex, infomercials, violence, click, click click...

I'm actually having to leave the country so my daughter can get a decent education. And we will have to censor the TV there too, sorry.

Back to the Fray...

Les people like you are their worst nightmare. And a few others who post there, too, quite awesome.

Their remarks hardly deserve a response. The good is in this one fact. Some people may stagger in and read things, and they may stumble on the sound of truth; that makes it all worth while. All anyone can do is shout the truth, never ever look behind, though. The truth has it's own agenda.

Somehow reading so much lately on this subject, I detect a groundswell of opinion. Even CBS did that 60 minute thing unbelievable. People are slowly waking up, and it's our responsibility to make it happen.

Anonymous said...

"virtual swarm" has me buzzing.. i'm good to go.
tazo

DodgyOne said...

Sounds like plan man. The time for preaching to the choir must end. Like a brigade we could organise a point of attack for each soldier of truth to post a new thread each and all of us congratulate each other for the piercing they have given to the lies. 20 50 a hundred new threads appear on a forum all proclaiming that the site has now been taken over by the witnesses for truth and justice. Maybe we could even make some of them close down in shame. KKK, racial suppremacy sites etc a non violent attack to send the haters into exile. But first we need a more secure meeting place, an invite only forum to discuss tactics in and targets in isolation.

Feel free to not post this Les if you have more elaborate plans and dont want me to let the cat out too early. There'd be a dodgy at freeze.co.nz that could do with a few votes to stem the tide.

Anonymous said...

...another drone of the swarm has landed.
Kudos
Martin

rosie said...

Does anyone read Glenn Greenwald?. A rather influential blogger who can attract hundreds and hundreds of comments.
He has just posted this.
Increasing even-handedness in the middle east
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
(the link does not look right but it is all I can see).
This is a very good sign coming as it does from the USA. It will be interesting to watch the comments.
Also more on the new martyr in the fight against zionist lies
http://truthisbeauty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/the-crucifixion-of-bishop-williamson/
rosie

Anonymous said...

Dadnerd: Try home schooling--we did it since birth with our 2 who are 16 and 18 now--they know whats up and how the world operates--Even if Ron Paul had gotten in, the decks in the Senate and Congress are stacked against them--bought and paid for in so many countries--The military is the same with the kiss-asses promoted--just like judges--
They know exactly the kind of people who run for office and how they can be manipulated or bought off--look at all the think tanks they control who are presented to the public as non-partisan and therefore godlike--same as a rhodes scholar or a harvard graduate--all bullshit for mass consumption--
They control it all because we pay for it--
Don't you just love all the bailouts and "stimulus" packages--money out of thin air--every person in poverty in the US could get $22,000.00--
Of course, I won't get anything because for the time being, I work for a living--no help paying my mortgage, no free food or medical--just the bill for it all--hope they respect me in the morning!!

Jj

rosie said...

Hi Les
(You may prefer not to put this up as its really more for you.)
One of the comments on Greenwald below. To me it is particularly loathsome. Its sort of 'sneaky' in some way.
I wish you would go on and answer it. They are being posted on quite speedily and, so far, I have been amazed how Israel is surprisingly - on Greenwald - not coming out too well.
Don't tell me to do it myself. It requires your brilliant way with words.
Rosie

quote
Getting better, Glenn, a generally thoughtful post free of your usual slant (aka: no "Attack on Gaza! (tm)" bromides).

The discussion in America on Israel/Palestine has changed because the facts have changed. The military response by Israel to Hamas provocation seems to have gone far beyond the boundaries of acceptability. As a result, American voices are now being raised to criticize Israel (and without the secret media silencing campaign that you were convinced existed).

Obama has made all the right moves on the issue. Foxman continues to expose himself as a joke.

Where you continue to err is in your conflation that Israel's wars are America's wars because we give Israel money and weapons. By your logic, Pakistan's military skirmishes with India are an American war since we give Pakistan 1 billion a year.

Yet India views us as an ally.

Unlike America's actual wars (Iraq, Afghanistan), what Israel does is not an American war in any literal sense. Yes, we support Israel. And yes, many zealots in the middle east love to blame America for Israel. But that is not reason to change course any more than we should elect Republicans because "Osama Bin Laden wants John Kerry to win." Surely you can see the logical fallacy of making foreign policy decisions based on what other countries argue as part of their own domestic political propaganda slants.

We will never stop supporting Israel, much as you, or others on the fringe who use words like "Zionists" and "tribalists" might want.

But we can and should be more evenhanded. Clinton knew that.

Simply because the Neo-Cons are pro-war chickenhawks who love it when Israel kills Arabs, that doesn't mean we have to swing 100% in the other direction.

There is much promise that an Obama administration, like Carter and Clinton, can intervene in a way that both supports Israel's right to exist and defend itself, while also doing what we can to empower the Palestinians to self govern.

But if the Palestinians continue to blow it, by electing Hamas or sending nail bombers onto the streets of Israel, there's not much anyone can do for them.

-- WinSmith
[Read WinSmith's other letters]Permalink Friday, January 30, 2009 09:44 AM PST

Anonymous said...

"But if the Palestinians continue to blow it, by electing Hamas...". What an asshole! that is what democracy is all about. Does this idiot know who created Hamas in the first place? In reality, Israel has blown it! the veil of illusion which has covered then for 60 years is blowing away in the wind. the truth of their evil is exposed and there is an awakening happening.

Amicus

Anonymous said...

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. H. L. Mencken

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
H. L. Mencken

Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken

Tyranny naturally arises out of democracy.
Plato


The whole dream of democracy is to raise the proletarian to the level of stupidity attained by the bourgeois.
Gustave Flaubert

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Mohandas Gandhi

Anonymous said...

Just in case I sound like a fool... at least I'm in good company.

Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
Oscar Wilde

The ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination.
Voltaire

Apparently, a democracy is a place where numerous elections are held at great cost without issues and with interchangeable candidates.
Gore Vidal

Our form of democracy is bribery, on the highest scale.
Gore Vidal

Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.
George Bernard Shaw

And last but most certainly not least...

To acquire immunity to eloquence is of the utmost importance to the citizens of a democracy.
Bertrand Russell